Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

[idiot]

I’m also not reading too much into the unprotected part of the picks.

Well, you did essentially count a top-5 protected and Walker Kessler (someone who's already been picked #22) as an unprotected.

But as to your more substantial point: I understand what you're saying. Unprotecteds do have real value because of their volatility. But without going back to the raffle-ticket abomination of a discussion, I think we're just likely to disagree about the odds of the Minny picks turning out golden. They could of course. You could end up being proven right (and for the Jazz sake I hope you are). I'm just somewhat more pessimistic (while still believing it was a shot well worth taking for us, given the position last year left us with.)

 

[Avery]

It's not just about the picks, it's about the protections. Five first round picks and filler like Toppin, Grimes is enough if four of those picks are unprotected NYK picks. My guess is NYK will want to apply protections on those while Danny wants them free and clear.

I would consider three unprotected NYK picks, but I think in doing that, you're going to have to throw in more low-value picks like the MIL 2025 pick (and I'd want that protected NYK pick to be protections sooner, not later).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's not just about the picks, it's about the protections. Five first round picks and filler like Toppin, Grimes is enough if four of those picks are unprotected NYK picks. My guess is NYK will want to apply protections on those while Danny wants them free and clear.

I would consider three unprotected NYK picks, but I think in doing that, you're going to have to throw in more low-value picks like the MIL 2025 pick (and I'd want that protected NYK pick to be protections sooner, not later).

Exactly... if we got 6 picks but 4 are the protected ones then its kind of a dud imo. We have to get the upside of having multiple chances at a pick that could be an all-star if we are giving one up.

If we got 6 picks but 4 were unprotected... and we got none of the players we want.. I think that can still be considered success.

 

[jazzfanWA]

LeBron just signed an extension. Expect them to move some picks now. Preferably to us.

When it's all said and done it wiill come to about a million per game.......

 

[BENTLEY]

Anyone know why Reddish’ value is so low? Couldn’t get PT in ATL, and in NYC he still can’t get PT. He hasn’t really been haggled over in any NYK deal either. Seems like Knicks have been resistant to any players Jazz show interest in (even D.Rose), but Reddish is always seemingly regarded as a filler afterthought. I’d be interested to see if Coach Hardy can help Reddish find his feet in the NBA.

Anyone know what’s up w Reddish’ value in the league?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Do you think the Wolves picks are more value as trade assets or should we be holding onto them?

When does each individual pick peak in value?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

View: https://twitter.com/Dunzod/status/1560030823704776704



Interesting if true.

 

[Avery]

Anyone know why Reddish’ value is so low? Couldn’t get PT in ATL, and in NYC he still can’t get PT. He hasn’t really been haggled over in any NYK deal either. Seems like Knicks have been resistant to any players Jazz show interest in (even D.Rose), but Reddish is always seemingly regarded as a filler afterthought. I’d be interested to see if Coach Hardy can help Reddish find his feet in the NBA.

Anyone know what’s up w Reddish’ value in the league?

He just hasn’t been very good. Hasn’t had a decent shooting season in three years. Defense is meh, hasn’t been filling up other stats, just doesn’t seem like he’s more than a rotational guy at best.

But, he’s only 22 and isn’t without talent, but nobody has been able to unlock it yet.

 

[Avery]

Do you think the Wolves picks are more value as trade assets or should we be holding onto them?

When does each individual pick peak in value?

I’d hold on to those suckers like gold. If Edwards bolts for a bigger market and the KAT/Rudy pairing doesn’t work, those picks are game changers.

They are all-in for this moment and as history shows, plans can go awry quickly in this league.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’d hold on to those suckers like gold. If Edwards bolts for a bigger market and the KAT/Rudy pairing doesn’t work, those picks are game changers.

They are all-in for this moment and as history shows, plans can go awry quickly in this league.

Honestly... they are one long term Rudy injury away from being a play in team next year. They have some depth issues if they have an injury after giving us Bev/ Beasley/Vando. In the play in anything can happen. Next year they likely lose Russell unless he sucks this year and signs for cheap. Kat just runs so hot and cold. Edwards exit won't be until after we have received our picks. Its really about Rudy/KAT/Edwards staying healthy... one of those guys goes down with an ACL or achilles and the cap becomes a problem.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I’d hold on to those suckers like gold. If Edwards bolts for a bigger market and the KAT/Rudy pairing doesn’t work, those picks are game changers.

They are all-in for this moment and as history shows, plans can go awry quickly in this league.

Edwards literally can not bolt to a bigger market for like 6 years...

The Gobert/KAT pairing will work, and if it doesnt, they both have tremendous trade value.

Ohh and Jaden McDaniels is going to be very very good.

Holding onto the picks would be a disaster (unless you draft really well late in the 1st).

Even after the Gobert trade the T'Wolves are pretty well stocked on assets to make improvise their team if things dont go 100% according to plan. With their new management and ownership set-up (and having no incentive to be bad for the next 7 years) I think you are looking at a team that is going to be very good for a while.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Honestly... they are one long term Rudy injury away from being a play in team next year. They have some depth issues if they have an injury after giving us Bev/ Beasley/Vando. In the play in anything can happen. Next year they likely lose Russell unless he sucks this year and signs for cheap. Kat just runs so hot and cold. Edwards exit won't be until after we have received our picks. Its really about Rudy/KAT/Edwards staying healthy... one of those guys goes down with an ACL or achilles and the cap becomes a problem.

They are one of the deepest teams in the NBA....