Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

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Geez Louise you guys. It was a mistake. Lol this is the most excited I’ve ever been for a 49ers season, they had been on my mind, I was walking into work typing that on my phone, it’s hard for me to type and walk. Lol

Or chew gum. Doing stuff is hard!

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Or chew gum. Doing stuff is hard!

You want me to walk, chew gum and post on jazzfanz at the same time? You want me to choke on my gum?

 

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Knicks doing a lowball.

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Think of this as setting the floor for a deal. This is the floor. This has already been offered and the Jazz have not accepted it - Toppin, McBride and Fournier(they need those 3 to make the salaries work) + 5 1sts(2 unprotected). The Jazz can always get this offer if they want it.

Now the Jazz should be trying to convince NYK that another team is offering something they prefer over that offer so they make the Knicks up their offer.

 

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Think of this as setting the floor for a deal. This is the floor. This has already been offered and the Jazz have not accepted it - Toppin, McBride and Fournier(they need those 3 to make the salaries work) + 5 1sts(2 unprotected). The Jazz can always get this offer if they want it.

Now the Jazz should be trying to convince NYK that another team is offering something they prefer over that offer so they make the Knicks up their offer.

If they simply switch it to 3 unprotected Knick picks and 2 other first rounders with the same players, then the deal would probably happen.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Think of this as setting the floor for a deal. This is the floor. This has already been offered and the Jazz have not accepted it - Toppin, McBride and Fournier(they need those 3 to make the salaries work) + 5 1sts(2 unprotected). The Jazz can always get this offer if they want it.

Now the Jazz should be trying to convince NYK that another team is offering something they prefer over that offer so they make the Knicks up their offer.

Add Quickley, sub 1 protected first for an unprotected first, and add a swap of the Minny 23 or Philly 23 pick for the Knicks pick. We aren't quite in the deal zone but we are approaching it.

24/26/28, a swap in 23, Quickley/Toppin/Fournier, a couple protected picks is the place I can see Danny saying "okay fine". Sneak a Gay for Reddish deal in there as the final bullet point.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

You want me to walk, chew gum and post on jazzfanz at the same time? You want me to choke on my gum?

That is correct...

 

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Add Quickley, sub 1 protected first for an unprotected first, and add a swap of the Minny 23 or Philly 23 pick for the Knicks pick. We aren't quite in the deal zone but we are approaching it.

24/26/28, a swap in 23, Quickley/Toppin/Fournier, a couple protected picks is the place I can see Danny saying "okay fine". Sneak a Gay for Reddish deal in there as the final bullet point.

this won't work for NYK. Part of the reason they are trying so hard to limit the number of unprotected is so they will have some number of picks available for future trade. 24/26/28 leaves them with just 1 pick they can use next year or the year after. IMO they would rather do 23/25/27 with pick swap either in 24 or in 26. Of course the Jazz would push for 26 IMO. This would allow them to have 2 of their own picks to trade in 24 for another star + possibly another pick if they keep the MKE pick.

If I had to guess the final deal is something like...

23/25 NYK unprotected, NYK 27 top 5 protected
2 of the other picks(very likely they would rather keep the MKE pick)
Toppin, Quickley, filler.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Add Quickley, sub 1 protected first for an unprotected first, and add a swap of the Minny 23 or Philly 23 pick for the Knicks pick. We aren't quite in the deal zone but we are approaching it.

24/26/28, a swap in 23, Quickley/Toppin/Fournier, a couple protected picks is the place I can see Danny saying "okay fine". Sneak a Gay for Reddish deal in there as the final bullet point.

You'd kick off the rebuild with one high lotto pick plus 3 others in 2023, you'd then have two+ picks every year for the next 6 years to work with... nothing is guaranteed, but you've got a great chance. Plus whatever you can do with renting space and sifting for diamonds.

We all will have to find joy in watching the young guys grow for a few years... it will be rough at times but the payoff should be great.

 

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I would do two unprotected if the other three picks can be blind super swaps - meaning you can pick up a pick in the future and force a trade. Imagine getting a top 3 pick for Minnesota pick. Has is that not a steal?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

this won't work for NYK. Part of the reason they are trying so hard to limit the number of unprotected is so they will have some number of picks available for future trade. 24/26/28 leaves them with just 1 pick they can use next year or the year after. IMO they would rather do 23/25/27 with pick swap either in 24 or in 26. Of course the Jazz would push for 26 IMO. This would allow them to have 2 of their own picks to trade in 24 for another star + possibly another pick if they keep the MKE pick.

Yeah... I get that. I just think at some point we say "mfers... we are trading the star!" They can't do the deal with Barrett or Grimes cuz they need those guys... they want fournier in and not Rose cuz they need that cap...

I did think we could do 23, 26, 28 with a swap in 27 maybe? At the 2024 draft they could move 24/30 plus a protected pick they own. We end up with a lot of picks in 2023 which is good, but there could be a diminishing return. I suppose since we don't really have any great prospects atm that adding a bunch would be okay.

I am just kind of sick of the NY narrative where they are like "you need to leave us XYZ to trade for a second star and we also need to keep these 2 valuable young guys cuz they fit and we need to retain talent... also be mindful of our cap situation..."

At some point they need to realize it isn't our job to get that second star for them. They also need to realize without star 1 they don't get star 2.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would do two unprotected if the other three picks can be blind super swaps - meaning you can pick up a pick in the future and force a trade. Imagine getting a top 3 pick for Minnesota pick. Has is that not a steal?

the three other picks are picks they own from other teams that are protected.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah... I get that. I just think at some point we say "mfers... we are trading the star!" They can't do the deal with Barrett or Grimes cuz they need those guys... they want fournier in and not Rose cuz they need that cap...

I did think we could do 23, 26, 28 with a swap in 27 maybe? At the 2024 draft they could move 24/30 plus a protected pick they own. We end up with a lot of picks in 2023 which is good, but there could be a diminishing return. I suppose since we don't really have any great prospects atm that adding a bunch would be okay.

I am just kind of sick of the NY narrative where they are like "you need to leave us XYZ to trade for a second star and we also need to keep these 2 valuable young guys cuz they fit and we need to retain talent... also be mindful of our cap situation..."

At some point they need to realize it isn't our job to get that second star for them. They also need to realize without star 1 they don't get star 2.

And if they want to keep one more protected pick to open up a bigger trade later... that's fine... they can sub in Grimes or Barrett then... so Grimes, Toppin, Fournier 23/25 plus three protected picks... or give us Barrett instead of Grimes. You guys decide if draft capital or those players will help you land that second star you need.

To me this heats up over the next 2 weeks and consummates when NY relents and we get something closer to what we want. In the deal we will also flip Fournier, Bev, Bogey to LA for one of their picks and Westbrook. I think its fair... Bogey get the first and Bev gets you off of Fournier's money.