Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

[Handlogten's Heros]

this won't work for NYK. Part of the reason they are trying so hard to limit the number of unprotected is so they will have some number of picks available for future trade. 24/26/28 leaves them with just 1 pick they can use next year or the year after. IMO they would rather do 23/25/27 with pick swap either in 24 or in 26. Of course the Jazz would push for 26 IMO. This would allow them to have 2 of their own picks to trade in 24 for another star + possibly another pick if they keep the MKE pick.

If I had to guess the final deal is something like...

23/25 NYK unprotected, NYK 27 top 5 protected
2 of the other picks(very likely they would rather keep the MKE pick)
Toppin, Quickley, filler.

I would think 27 would have to be unprotected. Especially if they are trying to trade 24, 29, 31 later. Maybe Ainge would leave the top 5 protections later to extract more to make it unprotected when they are trying to make their next big move.

 

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Knicks doing a lowball.

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If that's their latest offer then the two sides are still pretty far apart. This may end up dragging on into the season.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Toppin + 5 1sts being a lowball is pretty awesome. I know only two picks are unprotected in that offer but we likely aren’t THAT far apart. Feels good to know what an actual offer was instead of speculation.

 

[NUMBERICA]

this won't work for NYK. Part of the reason they are trying so hard to limit the number of unprotected is so they will have some number of picks available for future trade. 24/26/28 leaves them with just 1 pick they can use next year or the year after. IMO they would rather do 23/25/27 with pick swap either in 24 or in 26. Of course the Jazz would push for 26 IMO. This would allow them to have 2 of their own picks to trade in 24 for another star + possibly another pick if they keep the MKE pick.

If I had to guess the final deal is something like...

23/25 NYK unprotected, NYK 27 top 5 protected
2 of the other picks(very likely they would rather keep the MKE pick)
Toppin, Quickley, filler.

Jazz won’t take less than 3 unprotected picks at the baseline and you can bet your closest loved one’s life on that.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Toppin + 5 1sts being a lowball is pretty awesome. I know only two picks are unprotected in that offer but we likely aren’t THAT far apart. Feels good to know what an actual offer was instead of speculation.

But it isn't near good enough for me, so that doesn't feel so good. They can't keep RJ, protections, Grimes, and still only give us 5 picks. Not nearly good enough. We bench Donovan for a year, lose, and get a high draft pick to pair with him and 2 years of eligibility. Besides, it would help his ankles to do what Steph did so he can play in his 30s.

 

[kabenac]

Once the Knicks offer more Ainge should ask for some 2nd round picks to seal it up. I bet the stupid Knicks would hand us numerous 2nd round picks stop everything else just to get the deal done because they're desperate and stupid - tell them we want the picks in place of Grimes since the Knicks think he's great.

 

[homeytennis]

The more this drags on, I find the entire topic as interesting as college athletic conference affiliation. I know the issue is important and potentially big dollars coming or leaving various schools in the form of TV revenue but I find articles about it incredibly boring about like I find articles about Federal budget deficits. Either get the deal done or say we are going with DM in the future.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If that's their latest offer then the two sides are still pretty far apart. This may end up dragging on into the season.

IDK… I think it’s kinda close-ish. Like add 1 more unprotected pick and it closes… or they can add Grimes. Swap one protected for an unprotected and add Quickley (and maybe we push for Rose instead of Fournier to clear the cap).

I don’t think Ainge honestly thinks his initial ask will be met. He was going for the insane package. If you don’t ask you’ll never know. I think he gets a little more earnest here as we get closer to September 6th when we can execute some other good deals.

3 unprotected picks
2 other picks
1 swap

Either Toppin/Quickley or Grimes. If they want to put RJ in the deal I’ll do 2 unprotected picks and 2 protected picks.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Toppin + 5 1sts being a lowball is pretty awesome. I know only two picks are unprotected in that offer but we likely aren’t THAT far apart. Feels good to know what an actual offer was instead of speculation.

It's pretty awful especially since it includes us taking back Fournier's long term money.

No blue chip prospects and the Knicks have plenty of assets leftover to greatly improve the team. The unprotected picks are probably in 23 and 25, which with all the assets they have left, they will easily be able to make moves to improve their team.

You need 1 more unprotected or RJ Barrett, Grimes, and Rose instead of Fournier.

 

[Elizah Huge]

IDK… I think it’s kinda close-ish. Like add 1 more unprotected pick and it closes… or they can add Grimes. Swap one protected for an unprotected and add Quickley (and maybe we push for Rose instead of Fournier to clear the cap).

I don’t think Ainge honestly thinks his initial ask will be met. He was going for the insane package. If you don’t ask you’ll never know. I think he gets a little more earnest here as we get closer to September 6th when we can execute some other good deals.

3 unprotected picks
2 other picks
1 swap

Either Toppin/Quickley or Grimes. If they want to put RJ in the deal I’ll do 2 unprotected picks and 2 protected picks.

Yeah, people are getting pretty wild. Another unprotected 1st plus a pick swap or two likely gets it done.

Are we really going to turn down 3 unprotected Knicks 1sts + 3 protected 1sts + Toppin and Quickley? No.

 

[stitches]

Jazz won’t take less than 3 unprotected picks at the baseline and you can bet your closest loved one’s life on that.

It's not about the 3 unprotected. It's that you are pushing them forward and it makes it harder for them to trade future picks for another star. If they trade 3 unprotected to us IMO it's about 99.9% certain those would be 23,25 and 27 and not 24,26 and 28...

 

[Elizah Huge]

It's pretty awful especially since it includes us taking back Fournier's long term money.

No blue chip prospects and the Knicks have plenty of assets leftover to greatly improve the team. The unprotected picks are probably in 23 and 25, which with all the assets they have left, they will easily be able to make moves to improve their team.

You need 1 more unprotected or RJ Barrett, Grimes, and Rose instead of Fournier.

Which is why I said they’re not that far apart when their lowball offer is only 1 unprotected pick away from being a offer we can agree on.