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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

Saint Cy of JFC said:
You watch last the first minute?
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I saw it... the debate was whether he'd be spitting at the camera... and SAS always spits at the camera. I rewatched the last minute because the first time i hear disgusted, soft, scared and was laughing and missed the part of the praise.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If they only two unprotected first I'd rather get the Wizards package if they are including their 3 main young prospects
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With the Wizards the real value for me is with their picks. They owe the pick to NY if it falls top 14... so we get swap rights on the 2023 pick if it falls in the protected range (with the Philly or Minny pick). We get the same rights in 24, 25, 26 if the pick continues to fall in protected range and we get the 2028 pick unprotected. I'd add in swaps in 27/29 with the minny pick as well. So if they do tear it down and tank because Don wants out or they have an injury then we benefit.

If the pick conveys in 23 then we get the 25/27/29 picks unprotected and the swap rights disappear. They should give us every piece of draft capital we can get because of the pick they owe that complicates things. It'd be a tough one for fans to understand... "they either got 1 pick or 3 picks but if its 1 they get these swaps???"

We also get the prospects we want. I'm pretty meh on most.
 
Elizah Huge said:
So you’d rather have those 3 plus 2 unprotected picks over RJ/Grimes plus 5 picks?
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I think the compromise could become Knicks give 5 picks... 3 unprotected 2 protected and all of Grimes/Obi/IQ or its 6 picks (3up and 3pp) and we route one of the pp picks to LA in the rumored Lakers deal so that we can get both unprotected picks they own.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think the compromise could become Knicks give 5 picks... 3 unprotected 2 protected and all of Grimes/Obi/IQ or its 6 picks (3up and 3pp) and we route one of the pp picks to LA in the rumored Lakers deal so that we can get both unprotected picks they own.
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NO! We want RJ! Say it with me!
 
I've been staunch that we need three unprotected 1sts as the foundation of the deal and I am not convinced that the Jazz should move off of that. I get the argument that we should take RJ and 2 of those picks instead but I just want every meaningful roll of the dice to land legit stars as possible and remain skeptical on RJ.

More protected picks are fine if they can be utilized to dislodge better odds on other high-pick opportunities (like pushing the Lakers to two unprotected if they're not already there). They are fine. But I prefer swaps. This entire exercise is about increasing the odds of turning out the greatest net opportunity to acquire true blue chip talent and I am absolutely laser focused on that. Protected picks are a 3rd or lower tier asset in that context (swaps are 2nd tier).
 
NUMBERICA said:
I've been staunch that we need three unprotected 1sts as the foundation of the deal and I am not convinced that the Jazz should move off of that. I get the argument that we should take RJ and 2 of those picks instead but I just want every meaningful roll of the dice to land legit stars as possible and remain skeptical on RJ.
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A few guys here prefer Grimes over an unprotected first which is where the compromise comes in.
 
Three unprotected is fair to me. If Knicks think they are going to be all that, they shouldn't worry about their picks in 2023, 2025 and 2027 if they've Barrett/Mitchell/Brunson for the majority of that time and expect to be 'good'. Getting four unprotected is a pipe dream.

Throw in a couple of their protected picks and some salary match with Grimes and it'd be enough. If they don't want to include Grimes, then pony up another pick that will be low-value like MIL 2025.
 
Elizah Huge said:
A few guys here prefer Grimes over an unprotected first which is where the compromise comes in.
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That is insanity to me. The Jazz will have no shortage of opportunity to find good role players which I think is how he projects.

If pieces like young players and protected picks fill in gaps between bigger pieces, that's fine. But an unprotected Knicks pick vs. Quentin Grimes? I don't understand how that's even a question (again, in the context of trading a mega-premium asset, we NEED to increase our chances at extracting a replacement level asset somewhere in the trove of the return).
 
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