Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

[Elizah Huge]

Ainge is the quintessential person you hate with a passion if he’s not on your side but absolutely love when he is on your side.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Giving Thibs... a defensive coach... Donovan, Brunson, and Randle as the highest paid players it could be ugly fast. Knicks gonna Knick.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I'll flat up admit that I'd be terrible at negotiating before I say this, but:

Does anyone else worry that the Shams/Tony report may be functionally eroding the Jazz's leverage (if any media reports can ever erode leverage)? Now we have all these Jazz-adjacent people (Locke, for example) acting like DM is gone and that it's time to spill the beans on the behind-the-curtain stuff (Austin Horton).

The Tony/Shams report itself basically says that Miami and other teams are no longer under consideration, robbing us of leverage vis a vis offers from other teams (again to the extent that media reports can have an impact). And now it seems like it's the Jazz who are as (or more) desperate as the Knicks to get the deal concluded.

The report and the subsequent lull makes me wonder if this has not been taken by the Knicks as an opportunity to walk the trade back to just barely more than the Heat are offering.

(Again, I'd be a terrible negotiator)

Did you see the leaks and reporting on the Gobert trade? The packages were 75 cents on the dollar and Ainge came out with 225 cents. Don’t doubt Ainge the god.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Franchise tag.

I dont know what the franchise tag entails completely, but it always seemed pretty gross to me.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Except, the nfl though


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There's non rule things (just the nature of a 52 man roster and individuals being less important) that contributes to that more.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'll flat up admit that I'd be terrible at negotiating before I say this, but:

Does anyone else worry that the Shams/Tony report may be functionally eroding the Jazz's leverage (if any media reports can ever erode leverage)? Now we have all these Jazz-adjacent people (Locke, for example) acting like DM is gone and that it's time to spill the beans on the behind-the-curtain stuff (Austin Horton).

The Tony/Shams report itself basically says that Miami and other teams are no longer under consideration, robbing us of leverage vis a vis offers from other teams (again to the extent that media reports can have an impact). And now it seems like it's the Jazz who are as (or more) desperate as the Knicks to get the deal concluded.

The report and the subsequent lull makes me wonder if this has not been taken by the Knicks as an opportunity to walk the trade back to just barely more than the Heat are offering.

(Again, I'd be a terrible negotiator)

The best leverage has always been us just keeping him.

 

[idiot]

Did you see the leaks and reporting on the Gobert trade? The packages were 75 cents on the dollar and Ainge came out with 225 cents. Don’t doubt Ainge the god.

There was no reporting (by two of the most trustworthy reporters -- in the sense that it's totally believable that it's coming directly from the Jazz) that the Jazz had eliminated other suitors and entered into sole negotiations with the Wolves. Not the same.

 

[Elizah Huge]

There's non rule things (just the nature of a 52 man roster and individuals being less important) that contributes to that more.

Plus a straight hard cap.

 

[idiot]

The best leverage has always been us just keeping him.

Yeah. Agreed.

We could do this of course, still. But (at least in the media landscape) this looks more and more like a hollow threat.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There was no reporting (by two of the most trustworthy reporters -- in the sense that it's totally believable that it's coming directly from the Jazz) that the Jazz had eliminated other suitors and entered into negotiations with the Wolves. Not the same.

The potential Brooklyn deal is also hanging out there. I’m guessing he has an acceptable framework and is now going for the kill. The Knicks are tough to negotiate with because they have a bunch of small pieces you want to collect… the Heat kinda have their offer.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah. Agreed.

We could do this of course, still. But (at least in the media landscape) this looks more and more like a hollow threat.

I mean, he is going to be dealt eventually, but if New York starts the year poorly, all their player assets devalue immediately.

 

[idiot]

I mean, he is going to be dealt eventually, but if New York starts the year poorly, all their player assets devalue immediately.

So what date do you expect today to ultimately be? Actually kind of curious.