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Jazz "considering" Conley for Blake.

Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Do you think we’re getting the clippers Blake? The only reason you do this trade is if you think Griffin puts you over the top. Hate to put LoPo in a bad mood but it doesn’t. This is a massively bad idea for the jazz
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Blake Griffin was an absolute force in 2018-19. He played 75 regular season games averaging 24.5ppg, 7.5rpg, 5.4apg while shooting 36% from 3. He did all this on a pretty terrible team that he carried to the playoffs. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/griffbl01/gamelog/2019/

Last year, Detroit shelved him so he can have a necessary surgery, traded away Drummond and tanked.

We all saw the data from last year - we were actually a better team when Conley sat. I have no reason to believe that the same would happen with Blake. He's a multifaceted scorer. He can play at PF so Bojan can play at SF. He allows us to diversify our matchups so much more than Conley.
 
LoPo said:
Blake Griffin was an absolute force in 2018-19. He played 75 regular season games averaging 24.5ppg, 7.5rpg, 5.4apg while shooting 36% from 3. He did all this on a pretty terrible team that he carried to the playoffs.
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LMAO. two things. Of course you will pull his season up from two years ago, why not pull up last year, I’ll tell you why... because you’re in love with trading, and last year doesn’t help you make your case. Second, who cares that he led them to the playoffs. Did he do it in the west? Did the pistons win more regular season games then than they lost? The answer to both questions is no!!
LoPo said:
Last year, Detroit shelved him so he can have a necessary surgery, traded away Drummond and tanked.
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He still played 18 games and fell off a cliff. Big surprise he wasn’t fully healthy, he rarely is, and if we trade for him there’s a better chance he will just get injured again looking at his track record
LoPo said:
We all saw the data from last year - we were actually a better team when Conley sat. I have no reason to believe that the same would happen with Blake. He's a multifaceted scorer. He can play at PF so Bojan can play at SF. He allows us to diversify our matchups so much more than Conley.
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I could care less about any of that. The main thing to know is, 1. Conley’s deal comes off the books befor Griffin’s 2. Griffin isn’t winning us a title, so why in the hell is this at all a good idea, especially since we can trade Conley at the deadline. And he’s a more valuable trade chip this year than Griffin.
 
I love this site sometimes... most the credible reporting is we are done...

JazzFanz..... we gonna get Blake!!!!!
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Isn’t that mostly LoPo?
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Nah it’s more than him. I understand the idea behind using Conleys deal to improve the team beyond this year but Blake would mean mega tax implications. He’s gotta show he’s at least healthy before they get off of that deal.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
LMAO. two things. Of course you will pull his season up from two years ago, why not pull up last year, I’ll tell you why... because you’re in love with trading, and last year doesn’t help you make your case. Second, who cares that he led them to the playoffs. Did he do it in the west? Did the pistons win more regular season games then than they lost? The answer to both questions is no!!

He still played 18 games and fell off a cliff. Big surprise he wasn’t fully healthy, he rarely is, and if we trade for him there’s a better chance he will just get injured again looking at his track record

I could care less about any of that. The main thing to know is, 1. Conley’s deal comes off the books befor Griffin’s 2. Griffin isn’t winning us a title, so why in the hell is this at all a good idea, especially since we can trade Conley at the deadline. And he’s a more valuable trade chip this year than Griffin.
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How are his 2018-19 numbers not relevant? He only played 18 games last year while hurt. Sure his numbers suffered, but he was hurt. However, he was still one of the top players in all of basketball just the season before. It's not like he blew an ACL or Achilles. He had a procedure similar to Bojan. Something didn't feel right and he addressed it. https://clutchpoints.com/pistons-ne...hy-he-chose-to-shut-it-down-get-knee-surgery/

The question is - are we trying to win a title? Yes

Does a healthy Blake help us more than Conley? Yes

If we traded Conley for Blake, would I expect to get a long term asset? Yes

So is it worth it to me? Absolutely
 
It's probably the new owner that's urging DL or whomever for a Blake Griffin trade. Usually these new owners would have wild crazy ideas on how to improve a team right from the get-go. I don't know, just spitballing here.

This reminds me of the owner from Sacramento. *shivers*
 
LoPo said:
How are his 2018-19 numbers not relevant? He only played 18 games last year while hurt. Sure his numbers suffered, but he was hurt. However, he was still one of the top players in all of basketball just the season before. It's not like he blew an ACL or Achilles. He had a procedure similar to Bojan. Something didn't feel right and he addressed it. https://clutchpoints.com/pistons-ne...hy-he-chose-to-shut-it-down-get-knee-surgery/

The question is - are we trying to win a title? Yes

Does a healthy Blake help us more than Conley? Yes

If we traded Conley for Blake, would I expect to get a long term asset? Yes

So is it worth it to me? Absolutely
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Lol, had a similar injury to Bogey, yet Bogey had the best year of his career, Blake had the worst year of his career. The point is he’s always injured so you can’t just assume he will be fine this year. The only thing this trade does is strap the jazz in cap hell for longer. A few more wins won’t change anything. It’s an unnecessary move. Lol
 
If you traded Conley, it can only be to get younger pieces that are part of the long-term plan.

Otherwise, you just eat the salary this year and go into next with options to sign 2-3 decent guys.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Lol, had a similar injury to Bogey, yet Bogey had the best year of his career, Blake had the worst year of his career. The point is he’s always injured so you can’t just assume he will be fine this year. The only thing this trade does is strap the jazz in cap hell for longer. A few more wins won’t change anything. It’s an unnecessary move. Lol
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I have an exercise for you:

Are we a better team with a healthy Blake Griffin than with a healthy Conley?

Just answer it yes or no. No commentary. And we can get to the next question.
 
Eh - I'd consider it. Not sure I love it, though.

Option #1 for Conley is to get good, long-term pieces. But I'm bearish on his value in the trade market. He's 33 years old and coming off a down year, and will be a 34 year old UFA in 2021. I don't see teams parting with very much to get him at this point.

On the flip-side, a healthy-ish Blake is definitely a plus, and Conley vs. Rose at PG might be a wash for this upcoming season. I just have serious concerns about either of them staying healthy and Blake's contract flat out sucks.

Never been that high on Royce. Value his defense but he's a non-factor offensively.

Feels like a bit of a "meh" deal to me overall.
 
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