Jazz extend qualifying offer to Hayward

[Stifle Tower]

They have done and said the same about Matthews.

There is one HUGE difference. No matter what Hayward is offered, it will not put the Jazz into the luxury tax. In fact, it won't even get them to the salary cap floor. Matthews' deal caught them completely off-guard and shocked EVERYONE in the business except those in Portland. It was an unprecedented offer. In his second season he was making over $2M more than the player drafted #1. Utah would have been on the hook for over $9M had they matched that offer. Hindsight is great, isn't it?

As for the QO, there is a deadline set by the NBA. I believe the deadline is June 30th. So the Jazz took care of some paperwork in advance of the draft. As Thriller mentioned, there were other priorities, including player workouts and setting up their draft board. BTW, Sacramento extended a QO to Thomas yesterday. I'm sure there will be several others extended in the next 4 days. And we'll go through the same process with Kanter and Burks next season if they're still on the team. I don't see either reaching an agreement this summer with Utah like Favors did. Both Enes and Alec should be able to increase their value substantially with increased playing time.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Teams almost always offer the Qualifying Offer on decent players. BTW.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Teams almost always offer the Qualifying Offer on decent players. BTW.

Yes, even if a player has not entirely lived up to his draft position, the QO is generally extended. It's cheap. How bad would Hayward have had to play to not be worth at LEAST $4.7M?
Now, Philly had NO intention of keeping Turner, so they traded him for a 2nd. Detroit will certainly extend a QO to Monroe. I also believe Phoenix needs to submit a QO for Bledsoe. Houston made Parsons a FA so they could better fit a new contract under their cap/tax. It's a risky move that requires a lot of trust between the player and organization. The Cavs tried that trick with Boozer and we all know how that turned out!

 

[Bodhi]

There is one HUGE difference. No matter what Hayward is offered, it will not put the Jazz into the luxury tax. In fact, it won't even get them to the salary cap floor. Matthews' deal caught them completely off-guard and shocked EVERYONE in the business except those in Portland. It was an unprecedented offer. In his second season he was making over $2M more than the player drafted #1. Utah would have been on the hook for over $9M had they matched that offer. Hindsight is great, isn't it?

As for the QO, there is a deadline set by the NBA. I believe the deadline is June 30th. So the Jazz took care of some paperwork in advance of the draft. As Thriller mentioned, there were other priorities, including player workouts and setting up their draft board. BTW, Sacramento extended a QO to Thomas yesterday. I'm sure there will be several others extended in the next 4 days. And we'll go through the same process with Kanter and Burks next season if they're still on the team. I don't see either reaching an agreement this summer with Utah like Favors did. Both Enes and Alec should be able to increase their value substantially with increased playing time.

Its honestly embarrassing that this even has to be explained. I'm surprised 95% of this board can actually read.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Its honestly embarrassing that this even has to be explained. I'm surprised 95% of this board can actually read.

Well, if we use simple words. And we keep our sentences short. See Gordon run. See Gordon shoot. See Gordon miss. Now the opponent has the ball. Watch them make an easy basket. Bad Jazz, bad!

 

[TheStormofWar]

My brother worked with the jazz this past year and was pretty well connected to some folks who were actually involved in their decision making process. One thing that really stands out? The Jazz aren't nearly as creative or as diabolic as many on this board make them out to be. They aren't the CIA.

So these stupid trades involving half the league that this board usually creates and these weirdo conspiracies (like Hayward's qualifying offer) just have absolutely zero substance to them.

My guess? The Jazz knew months ago that they were going to send a qualifying offer out. However, draft stuff and coaching stuff was priority #1. By now, the jazz are basically set with their draft prep. So why not get to the next phase like, free agency? The first step in this free agency phase is to extend a QO to Hayward.

No conspiracy. No weird intentions with the timing. We aren't sending a message to the league that we're shopping Hayward.

We just had a few extra mins before the draft started and are now working to get going with free agency.

You take all the fun out of it.

 

[franklin]

OK. We're staying put at #5. This seals it.

Really? Funny how we just see things differently. I think the Jazz have Burks pegged as their 6th man. Then Hayward can be a starting SF or SG depending on who they draft. I still think that the Jazz go for the first pick and then slot Hayward depending on who they draft between Wiggins and Parker.

No. Weeners is right. We don't need another small forward.

 

[da ThRONe]

Luckily for us, I think Hayward lowered his value a bit this season. He didn't make any real progressions from last season other than improved rebounding and passing with more exposure. He basically proved that he could not lead a team successfully and is best as a complimentary player. For that reason, I think it would be crazy if someone offered him close to a max offer. I'm thinking around 9-11 million which would be an easy match for the Jazz. It would be a shame to lose Hayward right after drafting Wiggins, Parker, or Gordon.

Which is why he'll likely get offered something closer to 13-14 something a team thinks Utah won't match.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Which is why he'll likely get offered something closer to 13-14 something a team thinks Utah won't match.

At least Boston still thinks they're in the hunt for Love. Which means an offer for Hayward doesn't get done right away. Let's see if Phoenix wants him. If not, Jazz present their final offer from last summer. Hayward should be grateful since he underperformed.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Well, if we use simple words. And we keep our sentences short. See Gordon run. See Gordon shoot. See Gordon miss. Now the opponent has the ball. Watch them make an easy basket. Bad Jazz, bad!

But seriously, you need an editor. Every post of yours makes like 10 different points. And are way to long. I start reading with some interest, then you're off on like 10 different tangents. And I stop, doubt I'm the only one. Every post does not have to explain the intentions of every single lottery team and how we might make a deal with them. Keep going if you want, but just know I think a lot of effort is being wasted. Keep it simple.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think the Jazz learn from Milsap and Mathews and try to get out in front and make Hayward a respectable offer immediately without delay. Let him know they want him back and hope he signs it before looking for a huge payout from another team. Offer Hayward 10 million per year. This might be over paying just slightly but better than him getting a 12-13 per year offer the Jazz begrudgingly sign or dont and get nothing for him.

 

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I think the Jazz learn from Milsap and Mathews and try to get out in front and make Hayward a respectable offer immediately without delay. Let him know they want him back and hope he signs it before looking for a huge payout from another team. Offer Hayward 10 million per year. This might be over paying just slightly but better than him getting a 12-13 per year offer the Jazz begrudgingly sign or dont and get nothing for him.

Hay is gonna wait things out. With all the teams clearing space for LeBron and Melo, there's gonna be some money on the table somewhere. He'd be an idiot to rush the deal.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Hay is gonna wait things out. With all the teams clearing space for LeBron and Melo, there's gonna be some money on the table somewhere. He'd be an idiot to rush the deal.

I agree he will want to but I think the Jazz should try. I think both Milsap and Mathews went out looking for FU contracts since they didnt like how the Jazz handled it. Portland is more than happy to give those contracts out. Jazz traditionally let RFA look at the market first before they make an offer but it never works out for the Jazz.

 

[ijazz]

I agree he will want to but I think the Jazz should try. I think both Milsap and Mathews went out looking for FU contracts since they didnt like how the Jazz handled it. Portland is more than happy to give those contracts out. Jazz traditionally let RFA look at the market first before they make an offer but it never works out for the Jazz.

Jazz already said they will let hayward get an offer and match it

 

[ijazz]

Per stevekylernba tweet

 

[bigmike]

I bet we're proactive and make him a solid offer, but I bet he tests the market. I get the sense that Hayward is looking to cash out in a serious way.

I'm going to be completely honest here - I'm not the hugest fan of Hayward. He has all the tools but it hasn't seemed to jell for him yet, and this is a guy who played 2 years of college ball and has now played 4 years in the league. I know a lot of guys around the league (Rivers, Stevens, Kobe, etc) have gushed over him in the past, but I think he's slightly overvalued. I think everything will become easier for him once he's surrounded by better talent ans isn't asked to carry the load offensively by himself. But is a solid 3rd option on a playoff team really worth the type of $ he's rumored to be looking for?

If he gets an RFA offer that is very close (or at) the max, I'm in favor of letting him walk. I'm comfortable with an extension in the $10M - $12M range. Anything more than that and I'm uneasy. Those massive, inflated contracts are just crippling to teams who fear the luxury tax. Plus, who knows what kind of extensions Exum, Hood, Kanter, Burks, and Gobert could look to get in the next 2-3 years.

 

[jazzrule]

Look at the salaries of the Heat's big 3. They are willing to sacrifice to win championships. The question is will Hayward go for all he can get or will he accept a salary that helps the Jazz put together a championship contender?

 

[Ron Mexico]

Look at the salaries of the Heat's big 3. They are willing to sacrifice to win championships. The question is will Hayward go for all he can get or will he accept a salary that helps the Jazz put together a championship contender?

Dumb comparison. Hayward has only had a rookie salary. No NBA player has taken less money for their first FA paycheck to build a championship. Yes after this one if the team is close and he really wants to win he might sign for less than, but not know. We were the 4th worst team in the NBA we are not winning a championship in the next couple years. Miami big three took a minor paycut to play together, but they have been in the league awhile and knew they could win together. Plus all three have big endorsement deals and money from their contracts is a small part of what they make in a year.

If you expect someone like hayward to sign for less you are going to be disappointed every time. 0 players in the league would sign for less in Haywards spot right now.