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Jazz May Be A Part of 3-Team Deal w/ Clippers

bigmike said:
He's insane not to. Get minutes in Utah, play well, and get that next contract, or stay stuck in LAC's point guard logjam.

Thank God. Finally - something to talk about. Let's see if it goes through.
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Maybe he likes to win and advance in the playoffs. YOur probally right tho money rules all for most nba players
 
theNBAnerd said:
it's not that. it's that mo and his agent, on june 28, have clearly already explored the free agent market and made projections and have a very good idea of what mo should do with his PO. in fact, we know that's the case because we had already heard that he planned to opt in with LAC.

now, while three teams try to figure out their draft night strategy based on what happens with this trade, mo and his agent are holding them at their mercy for no other reason than because THEY CAN. and that petulant use of the players' leverage over teams is exactly why we have nasty labor disputes every time a CBA expires.
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He probably needs more time. His market will be more clear after the draft. Mo Williams is looking out for Mo Williams. That is what he has to do, I don't blame him. He isn't being selfish, he is just using his leverage to maximize himself. Teams do it constantly, why can't players?
 
billyshelby said:
Dallas is the team that has to pony up. The Clips are effectively making a straight deal. Dallas just doesn't want to pay their freight. So while the Clips can toss in a 2nd, KOC should be putting the screws to Cuban. Hard to say how much you can get when only 2.5 - 3 million is at stake, but just getting a 2nd from them isn't enough.
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agreed - not liking this at all.
 
theNBAnerd said:
it's not that. it's that mo and his agent, on june 28, have clearly already explored the free agent market and made projections and have a very good idea of what mo should do with his PO. in fact, we know that's the case because we had already heard that he planned to opt in with LAC.

now, while three teams try to figure out their draft night strategy based on what happens with this trade, mo and his agent are holding them at their mercy for no other reason than because THEY CAN. and that petulant use of the players' leverage over teams is exactly why we have nasty labor disputes every time a CBA expires.
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Yes. How petulant of a player to try to have some control over his career. How dare he.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Don't give me that ****. You're the one that threw this butt-****ing retarded scenario into the works of an otherwise fully functional discussion. If you're going to take scenarios completely out of context, own it, don't act like I am the moron here.

As it stands, I tried to take your head-in-the-clouds bull **** and turn it into some kind of practical comparison, which is more than you can say.
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no you're trying to win an argument you've lost by reframing it in a fantasy world where indy was making a choice that, in reality, they never could have made.

and NOW you're trying to destract by flinging personal insults and swearing at me. both very classy approaches, btw.

but whatever, i'm over this argument. my original point still stands: the if the jazz get mo, they'll turn around and get something of value for harris, and chances are really good they'll get something better than what san antonio got for a bench point guard with outstanding abilities.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
He probably needs more time. His market will be more clear after the draft. Mo Williams is looking out for Mo Williams. That is what he has to do, I don't blame him. He isn't being selfish, he is just using his leverage to maximize himself. Teams do it constantly, why can't players?
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i would totally agree with you, except that he wasn't worried about "the market being more clear after the draft" when it was the clippers. he wasn't worried about "using his leverage to maximize himself" with the clippers. his decision was made until 6 hours ago when the jazz were mentioned.
 
https://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2012/06/mavericks-on-the-verge-of-moving-lamar-odom.html/

Unless Los Angeles Clippers guard Mo Williams enjoys throwing away money, the Mavericks will soon be rid of Lamar Odom and any financial obligation to him for the coming season.

The Mavericks have agreed to send the troubled Odom to the Clippers, who in turn will ship Williams to the Utah Jazz, who will send a trade exception from the Mehmet Okur deal last season to the Mavericks, an NBA source said.

All three teams have agreed to the deal. All that has to happen to make it official is for Williams to exercise the player option on his contract for next season, which would pay him $8.5 million.

Williams has until Friday to opt in, and if he doesn’t, he will become an unrestricted free agent and would be very hard pressed to earn even half of that annual salary on the open market, the source said.

What it means for the Mavericks is that they can trade Odom before having to buy out the final year of his contract, which would have cost them $2.4 million. That money now will not be applied to their salary cap and gives them even more financial flexibility heading into free agency.

It won’t improve the amount they can throw at free agent Deron Williams – he is going to receive a maximum contract regardless – but it might help in the recruitment of other free agents or, with the newly acquired trade exception, could be useful in trade scenarios.

Odom was never going to return to the Mavericks and the only reason he wasn’t waived before the season ended was precisely because of a situation like this where the Mavericks could get rid of him without having to pay off the final year of his deal.
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candrew said:
agreed - not liking this at all.
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This. Mo would probably be the better play in our pound-it-to-Al offense, but its pretty much lateral at the end of the day. We should refuse to make this deal unless we pry away the 17th pick from Dallas as well. Now that would make me one happy-*** camper.


But wow, a lot has happened in the past 5 hours that I was away..
 
theNBAnerd said:
my original point still stands: the if the jazz get mo, they'll turn around and get something of value for harris, and chances are really good they'll get something better than what san antonio got for a bench point guard with outstanding abilities.
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Look at this year's draft class and draft order. I doubt there's a team in the late lottery that would prefer Harris to their pick. Please, for once, actually go take a look.

Would you rather have Harris or Zeller/Henson/Leonard/Sullinger/Marshall/J.Lamb/P.Jones/T.Jones? Which teams in the late lottery would prefer Harris to their pick from among several of those names?
 
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