Jazz Officially Matched Hayward According to Woj

[GVC]

Why look for the answer to the question to anything other than the easiest and most simple answer? The Jazz management, have analyzed the situation, and have come to the conclusion that in terms of achieving their long-term goals, that it simply does not matter what Gordon is paid.

The vast majority of this board is completely fixated on the notion that Gordon's achievements to date have to match up with whatever salary he is paid. Jazz management is unconcerned that this has to be the case. I suspect the collective here is seeing several boogeymen in the closet that either don't exist or that their existence is greatly exaggerated.

What are those goals?

Out of curiosity, Pearl, how many Jazz games have you watched in the last 3 or 4 years? Do you see this team with a realistic shot at the playoffs in the next 2? In contention in the next 4? 5?

What this contract is driving home for me is that building a contender is difficult, especially for a team in an undesirable market. The Jazz were incredibly fortunate to do as well as they did between 2003 and 2010, before jettisoning Boozer, Matthews, Korver, Brewer (and Memo to injury). Hayward may help this team win a few additional games. He may be worth more in trade than the extra cap space and improved draft pick the Jazz could have had instead. With that said, it's hard to see how the Jazz's roster talent and additional assets can be turned into a watchable 50+ win team in the next few years, especially if this is the cost of holding onto average-ish starters. Further, this represents another example of DL/management/ownership failing to maximize the value of their assets: Hayward's agent outsmarted the Jazz; Jefferson, Millsap, Carroll, Mo (and Foye, Marvin, RJ) walked for nothing after a non-playoff year. This team is looking more and more like the recent T-Wolves and Kings every day.

 

[b_line]

Guys, the thriller has clearly shown his basketball knowledge. White people will never be good at basketball and should not get paid. Ever. Just get over it already. If there is anything I learned from the thriller it is that the only good white basketball player is a dead white basketball player.



Glad you could teach us the ways of racism today, Mr thriller.

 

[BTP]

Stellar defense.

I'm more just pissed that this team will never be GREAT.. and we are more of less stuck with it. (I'm being a bit dramatic, I know.. but it's kind of fun.)

The way I look at it:
Capspace is only valuable towards winning when you really wanna use it.

 

[TroutBum]

just going to make a prediction. Hayward will not live up to a 4 year 63 million contract. When he struggles people will boo him. They shouldn't, but they will.

That is a bold move, you crazy man, you.

I have little doubt in my mind that this was a Miller family signing.

He looks like a Mormon and is white. They've tried Desperately to make him the face of the franchise despite Burks being the superior player overall.

This was a Miller family signing more than anything.

Man, Helen, you are really hard to stomach sometimes.

The jazz have overspent on:

Ostertag
AK47
Okur (extension)
Hayward

What do physical characteristic do all of these players have in common?

They all have arms.

Thank you b_line for saving me the effort.


This thread has officially gone 19.

 

[Doublea]

Have you even looked at the hypotheticals? We can keep both Burks and Kanter. Now, move on.

And not be able to get any other players...

 

[Shocker00]

The problem with this contract is that it takes us out of asset collection mode. I feel we should have kept collecting assets till we found our star and then give them the max. All further cap space now will have to be used to keep our current players. Basically what we got is what we got, so we better have a star among us.

Hayward@7m=good asset
Hayward@9m=small asset
Hayward@11m=even
Hayward@13m=liability
Hayward@15m=Major liability

I guess if he still sucks we can give someone the GS 2017 1st round pick to take him and then start over on collecting assets. Hayward has a no trade kicker and he has the right to option out after 3 yrs(which I am guessing won't happen.

 

[sgjazzfan]

I wanted Jazz to keep Hayward. I want Jazz to keep Exum if he becomes a star. This contract won't keep them from keeping Exum 4 years from now. Jazz are overpaying for Hayward, but I don't care. They can't get Free Agents with anyway. I'd rather keep Hayward for 3-4 million extra than have the cap space and end up with a late draft pick and a year of Carlos Boozer coming off the bench or another equivalent salary dump move they would end up doing with the money.

 

[Doublea]

Everyone keeps forgetting about Burks and Kanter, if they break out then their contracts would cause problems if Exum is a star. I guess if anything Hayward would just be gone anyway.

 

[fishonjazz]

The jazz have overspent on:

Ostertag
AK47
Okur (extension)
Hayward

What do physical characteristic do all of these players have in common?

Poor dancers with small *****?

 

[TroutBum]

Poor dancers with small *****?

How many times do we have to go through this? THEY ARE NOT ASIANS!

 

[Shocker00]

I wanted Jazz to keep Hayward. I want Jazz to keep Exum if he becomes a star. This contract won't keep them from keeping Exum 4 years from now. Jazz are overpaying for Hayward, but I don't care. They can't get Free Agents with anyway. I'd rather keep Hayward for 3-4 million extra than have the cap space and end up with a late draft pick and a year of Carlos Boozer coming off the bench or another equivalent salary dump move they would end up doing with the money.

We better hope Exum, Hayward, Burkes, Kanter, or Burk, becomes a star for the Jazz. If none of these players are a star we just entered mediocrity for a long long time. We cannot start accumulating assets until Haywards contract is over in 4 yrs and even longer if we sign Burks and Kanter to long term contracts.

 

[cowhide]

The Memo extension was one of the most shocking, truly terrible Jazz transactions that I remember. It was a year early, and Memo's health was going downhill fast, yet we still gave him full market value and killed any flexibility we had in the latter years of the Dwill Boozer era. It was nuts, and the only example where I think you can definitively say that the Jazz organization made a decision almost entirely with their heart.

Why not let Memo test the market? I certainly agree with your comments. I was pissed when they extended Memo. It was obvious his body was breaking down.