Jazz Offseason Plan

[Ineptimusprime]

You all are missing the real biggest factor in any changes this offseason, and thats DWade and his relationship/sway with the majority owner.

There may be something here. Is there anything in particular you are alluding to?

 

[Ineptimusprime]

After reminding myself what Rudy will be making at age 34, I am kinda sorta leaning to seeing what we could get in a trade for him. We don't have any young players aside from Don that anyone would want. Fortunately, only Doke and Hughes are guaranteed. We should seriously consider moving on from the rest and trying again with the entire back half of the roster. Everyone of our current development guys except for Georges was a complete swing and miss. That's okay, but let's try again.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

After reminding myself what Rudy will be making at age 34, I am kinda sorta leaning to seeing what we could get in a trade for him. We don't have any young players aside from Don that anyone would want. Fortunately, only Doke and Hughes are guaranteed. We should seriously consider moving on from the rest and trying again with the entire back half of the roster. Everyone of our current development guys except for Georges was a complete swing and miss. That's okay, but let's try again.

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Trading Rudy is a catch 22... on one hand if Don looks around in a couple years and Rudy isn't aging well then he may want to bounce... if you trade Rudy and get younger you almost certainly take a step back and it may frustrate Don after a couple years and he looks to leave.

If you do trade Rudy you have to balance being good now and getting younger and having a higher trajectory. I don't see how you do that. I think the bed might be made here. The best chance (but not a high probability) is to run it back and hope for a small miracle. End up rebuilding in 2-3 years when Don requests a trade. Hopefully we get it right this time.

 

[416Klawzz]

Maybe Quin has to go? 2 years of choking a lead? A too predictable formula? Friggin playing Niang?

 

[416Klawzz]

I know for sure DL should get fired, Zanik too. Smith should bring in fresh blood and a new perspective. Recruit with Wade consult with Donovan. Or else Spida will walk ....

 

[cowhide]

Rudy is not the problem, but is he part of the solution?

Meaning, are we a better team in 3-4 years with peak Don if we hold onto Rudy, or are we better off conceding our REAL title window is a little further out than we might want to admit right now and trading Rudy at the height of his value and start building for 3-4 years down the line. I don’t think his trade value will ever get higher than it is now, so we need to figure this out.

The other thing that no one is talking about is the chemistry issues between Don and Rudy. This is another important consideration. I think we are on the cusp of “unsalvageable” part 2 if we flame out right now. Don’t say “but Shaq and Kobe…” Rudy and Don talent-wise aren’t Shaq and Kobe. Can they overcome the fact that their personalities clash so much? I don’t know. I’m not blaming either guy here, but the tension is obvious. If someone has to go between the two, it’s obviously Rudy.

I don’t know the answer to any of this. I hope the FO seriously considers this all of these questions this offseason.

Are you still floating around that nonsense about Rudy and DM not getting along. If the tension is so obvious why is no one talking about it. You are living in the past. They do not have to hang out and be best buddies but there is no obvious tension between the two.

 

[cowhide]

So if Conley and Donovan both play game 6 and 7 and Jazz win series does that change off season plan

Sure for the short term but if they lose against the Suns then changes will need to be made. If your not trying to get better every year than you start falling behind.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Heres the type of trade we are looking at...

Favs for Derrick Jones Jr. - he was out of the rotation end of last year for them... they need a backup center... salaries match but Favs has an extra year so maybe we give em a second. For us we get length and athleticism and pray that this is the year he figures out how to shoot. He likely doesn't.

Would allow us to play Udoka as a backup... I'm not a big fan of the pick but this gives us a chance to at least get some value out of it.

Then you retain Mike and find one solid minimum guy... there are always a couple that get left in the bargain bin. Pray the #30 pick becomes something awesome.

 

[Getting Traded]

One of the biggest problems for the Jazz is that players don't want to come to Utah. I hear this all the time online.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Are you still floating around that nonsense about Rudy and DM not getting along. If the tension is so obvious why is no one talking about it. You are living in the past. They do not have to hang out and be best buddies but there is no obvious tension between the two.

I don't think those issues are completely gone... it isn't obvious but I'm not sure the partnership is in a great place. It might just be frustrated comments by Rudy or dumb unrelated posts on social media from Don but this type of friction is real and has happened before.

 

[DasJazz]

There may be something here. Is there anything in particular you are alluding to?

Mainly just the fact that he's a HOF player and has connections around the league with current high level players, etc.

I would imagine that the new owner guy would have Wade as his main basketball advisor given the basketball knowledge and their previous relationship with each other.

 

[cowhide]

I don't think those issues are completely gone... it isn't obvious but I'm not sure the partnership is in a great place. It might just be frustrated comments by Rudy or dumb unrelated posts on social media from Don but this type of friction is real and has happened before.

It is real because social media and the media have blown it out of portion to what the reality of the situation really is. Any time there is frustration people start going back to the narrative that DM and Rudy have an issue. Again players are going to have issues but both guys have said they talked and are focused on winning a championship. They are not a couple like some people make it out to be. Jazz are losing because DM is about 50 percent and Conley hasn't played beside the fact that the Clippers are really good. This "friction" narrative has nothing to do with it. Royce and Rudy got into a couple games ago. Maybe they have problems too. It just gets old hearing Jazz fans rehash a "story" that happened last year.