Jazz Play The Magic: A Gamethread 7pm Mountain TIme

[NUMBERICA]

Regarding Joe's response to the fans booing, I think he's actually very much in the wrong. It's not a booing because you're losing, it's booing because you're putting on a sh@# show and the effort isn't any where near where it needed to be. Obviously they corrected course and pulled the game out but if they had put even half of that effort into the first half they would've gotten more crowd support.

I cannot stand lack of effort, especially at the professional level. If he doesn't like the boos, he needs to rally his team to get their heads our of their asses and play with some pride the whole game, win or lose.

Jesus, you and JazzyFresh are entitled pieces of work.

But maybe you know more about what’s going on than Joe Ingles. More about the NBA grind. More about basketball. More about this team. Yeah, we should all listen to DasJazz and JazzyFresh from Jazzfanz.com and the scattered nameless and faceless dorks at the arena last night that were treated to a ****ing WIN. A win I’m sure you all will take credit for.

Thanks for the win, you did it. It’s about you.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think they were trying it was just bad... I’m not a big fan of booing a team at home... I don’t like Joe’s tone but imma pretend he’s only talking to the casual fans that would boo when the team is struggling. The “go on their little date nights” is belittling and would bother me if I thought he was referring to the diehards.

I’m general I hate when players take tones of belittling fans though the fans, blog boys, media, etc are part of what allow them to have a fabolous life.

So I’m torn here... fans shouldn’t boo... I like how Wiggins put it when asked... basically said we got some good fans and some ****** fans... ****** fans boo home teams.

“Allow” them to have a fabulous life? This **** is transactional, fans do it because they enjoy it, not as a charity.

The money is there already. If you need to boo, boo the league and the owners. This can spin off into a conversation about labor or market economics gouging the consumer, but we’ll stop there.

Joe Ingles 2020.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Booing isnt going to help the team win, I think that's Joe's point. It probably hurts their performance more than helps.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Note: I loved that Rodney Hood got booed last year because he was poison on and off the court.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

“Allow” them to have a fabulous life? This **** is transactional, fans do it because they enjoy it, not as a charity.

The money is there already, this can spin off into a conversation about labor or market economics gouging the consumer, but we’ll stop there.

Joe Ingles 2020.

100% its transactional... but without interest and fans the money disappears... money is what allows them to make a fabulous living playing the sport. Didn't mean to make it seem like a charity... but there is a disdain/belittling for the fans/media that some players have (joe isn't one... more like the KDs of the world) that bugs me at times.

Joe is 100% right with the "hey we want to do well too" the only part that bugged me was just the "eat popcorn, enjoy their little date night" part that has a tone I don't love. Just could have done without that part. He was probably a little salty and rightfully so... they didn't deserve the smattering of boos last night... so again.. imma say that was referring to the bad/casual fans that don't understand that sometimes shots don't go in or things don't work like you want them too.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

100% its transactional... but without interest and fans the money disappears... money is what allows them to make a fabulous living playing the sport. Didn't mean to make it seem like a charity... but there is a disdain/belittling for the fans/media that some players have (joe isn't one... more like the KDs of the world) that bugs me at times.

Joe is 100% right with the "hey we want to do well too" the only part that bugged me was just the "eat popcorn, enjoy their little date night" part that has a tone I don't love. Just could have done without that part. He was probably a little salty and rightfully so... they didn't deserve the smattering of boos last night... so again.. imma say that was referring to the bad/casual fans that don't understand that sometimes shots don't go in or things don't work like you want them too.

You sound like a baby if that part bothered you.

 

[kabenac]

Note: I loved that Rodney Hood got booed last year because he was poison on and off the court.

Hood was poison everywhere he went. Here's an actual ultrasound his doctor took of him:

 

[colton]

Booing isnt going to help the team win, I think that's Joe's point. It probably hurts their performance more than helps.

Contrarian argument: Well, it seemed to work last night.

But I get where Joe is coming from.

 

[infection]

I've never booed my team and I never will. I find it kind of embarrassing, actually. The people who boo are a significant minority.

However, fan interest is irrational, and it's that same fan interest that has generated so much money to enable this whole thing to play out. Fans will be irrationally happy when their team is preforming well, and the other side of that coin is that they may be irrationally upset/sad/angry when they are not. It's just the reality of it. Really high highs are punctuated with really low lows. Those who don't experience the lows generally also aren't experiencing the highs. Experiencing the lows isn't equated with booing, but it's important to understand. People invest a lot of time and money to support professional sports. Often times money they don't have or shouldn't be spending. Of the 19k fans, how many could be fired tomorrow and have a guaranteed salary? Just because somebody earns more is not a reason to treat them poorly (which is actually a popular cultural expectation, depending on whom the target is, but I digress), but it's fan interest and money that they're plugging away to make this whole enterprise work. The fans pay the salaries. Nearly every fan in that arena has some kind of boss they report to, and the consequences of poor performance or effort can be much more severe than boos, as they do not have high salaries and guaranteed contracts, yet still fork out money to contribute to the securities of those who entertain or provide entertainment.

That said, I was unaware of any booing. It's a vast, vast minority. I'm not among them. But just as we should understand that these players are humans, don't always preform perfectly, and can make mistakes and have other things going on in their lives that affect their play, we also need to realize that these fans are also humans, they don't always make the best decisions in the moment, and they can make mistakes and have other things going on in their lives that affect the way they do or do not support a team. Such is life.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Contrarian argument: Well, it seemed to work last night.

But I get where Joe is coming from.

I dont see how it did. The boos came in the 2nd quarter, and their play did not improve in the 2nd quarter.

They improved when they went in to locker-room and made adjustments.

 

[Jack Strop]

Contrarian argument: Well, it seemed to work last night.

But I get where Joe is coming from.

Agree. The Jazz deserved to get booed in the 1st half. There was lack of effort/urgency. Its not like there was a sudden talent infusion at halftime. They didn't install a new offense or change players. It was all about defensive effort.

Hey Joe, if you don't want to hear boos, just give an honest effort during the game. Fans pay a helluva lot of money and players make a helluva lot. We understand wins and losses. Sometimes shots don't fall. Sometimes opponents just have an amazing game. And sometimes other teams just have better talent. But we don't understand the lack of effort we saw in the first half. Especially since defense is mostly about effort.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Agree. The Jazz deserved to get booed in the 1st half. There was lack of effort/urgency. Its not like there was a sudden talent infusion at halftime. They didn't install a new offense or change players. It was all about defensive effort.

Hey Joe, if you don't want to hear boos, just give an honest effort during the game. Fans pay a helluva lot of money and players make a helluva lot. We understand wins and losses. Sometimes shots don't fall. Sometimes opponents just have an amazing game. And sometimes other teams just have better talent. But we don't understand the lack of effort we saw in the first half. Especially since defense is mostly about effort.

Positive reinforcement usually trumps negative reinforcement.

There's also probably more at play than you realize, like a scheme adjustment the Magic put in that the Jazz were not anticipating, causing the Jazz to think instead of react on either end.

People have rights to do a lot of things, but it doesnt mean you should do them.