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Darkwing Duck said:
Go be a Golden State fan, then.
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thats the point

for a fan of a franchise that hasn't had much playoff success it would be great to see them there. the jazz have been a winning/playoff team for a long time and we have all seen them accomplish everything except winning an nba championship.

i want the jazz to win a title. big name free agents aren't going to be flocking to utah so the only way to build a contender is through young talent i.e. draft picks. many draft picks do not pan out but i'd rather take my chances with as much young talent/lotto picks as possible.

what does an 8th seed/1st round playoff loss accomplish for this franchise?
 
Soo, unless it is sure fire ring, just lose and get another pick? Makes sense to me.
Nerd is dead on with this one. He even uses facts and stats to back it up, unlike emotional me.
 
Did anybody else listen or hear Chiesa on kall700 a few days ago when he had Fran Fraschilla on? He said the reason he believes this is being called a deep draft is due to the name power because of the lockout looming some players decided to go back to school. So the draft has more recognizable names that people of heard of and some of in his opinion didn't improve as projected and so he was saying besides the #1 pick this draft isn't any different or stronger than any other average draft.
He didn't say it was weak but just not strong like is being said again mostly due to familiarity of some of the names.

I wasn't able to listen to it all and that was just the part I heard.
 
my prediction by now is DENVER PHONIX and UTAH will be 34-32 who will in the playoffs THEN ?????

does anyone know for sure?
 
nerd, you make dumb statements, then set up straw men, and bring in cherry picked stats to knock down the straw men, arguing something completely different than your original dumb statements, which is what i was talking about. .

no one said that a 12 pick guarantees an allstar.

but a higher pick in a stronger draft is better than a lower pick in a weaker draft, and gives the Jazz a better chance at being a contender.

you are the one assigning no value to getting a good draft pick, as opposed to no draft pick

you are the one saying that it doesn't matter if the draft is a strong draft.

those are the points i was addressing.
 
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northeast said:
nerd, you make dumb statements, then set up straw men, and bring in cherry picked stats to knock down the straw men, arguing something completely different than your original dumb statements, which is what i was talking about. .
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I find Nerd's analysis spot on. And why anyone thinks that getting a pick is better than getting into the playoffs is beyond me. Playoffs or bust. You have to build culture of winning and you have to learn how to play in the post season - even if you get swept.
 
Every year only 3-4 teams should actually try to win. All other teams would be stupid to put forth any effort. It's just logical.
 
Gameface said:
Every year only 3-4 teams should actually try to win. All other teams would be stupid to put forth any effort. It's just logical.
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Wrong. Because usually when you make the playoffs you still get a draft pick.... so you can gain that playoff experience without losing a draft pick.

This year the jazz dont get thier pick if they make the playoffs. That is usually not the case.

No one would want the jazz to miss the playoffs if we still got our draft pick like in a normal year.
 
but its wrong to argue that a higher pick in a stronger draft this year is no more likely to help the team
compared to a lower pick in a weaker draft in a future year.
 
Scorpjazz said:
Soo, unless it is sure fire ring, just lose and get another pick? Makes sense to me.
Nerd is dead on with this one. He even uses facts and stats to back it up, unlike emotional me.
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He did use fact and stats to show that a late lottery pick usually isnt very valuable... and yes he did a good job on that arguement.

However i have yet to see that stat that shows how making the playoffs as an 8 seed and getting swept while not being competitive and losing your draft pick helps you get better.

That is what alot of us are worried would happen, and i dont think there is a stat or any facts you can show that proves you become a contender by getting killed in the 1st round of the playoffs and giving away your draft pick.
 
fishonjazz said:
He did use fact and stats to show that a late lottery pick usually isnt very valuable... and yes he did a good job on that arguement.

However i have yet to see that stat that shows how making the playoffs as an 8 seed and getting swept while not being competitive and losing your draft pick helps you get better.

That is what alot of us are worried would happen, and i dont think there is a stat or any facts you can show that proves you become a contender by getting killed in the 1st round of the playoffs and giving away your draft pick.
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The closest thing to an example is almost every team has to go through the growing pains of getting knocked out of the playoffs early before advancing further into the playoffs.
Also I know this draft class keeps getting touted as the best ever (lets assume that is true despite the radio interview with Fran Fraschilla saying he doesn't think it is unless you get the #1 pick) and obviously we get a pick next year but who's to say what next years class will be like, the previous 2yrs drafts are supposedly weak but we seem to have made out pretty good.

And honestly in strong draft classes what makes it strong is that the top 1-3 picks after that it is depth and in classes if those superstar future HoF players aren't there it can classified or labeled in many ways such a as a deep draft. But again those are all speculation unless there is a LBJ, Duncan, Durant (who was still picke 2nd) type players it can take 2-4 years to really tell how good a draft class is.
 
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