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Jazz select Grayson Allen at 21

All I can say is that the Jazz must really like Allen, because I'm pretty sure they like Hutchison--we need an athletic scoring wing like him--and the Jazz went with Allen.
 
Catchall said:
There was a rumor before the draft that Indiana was trying to move up to 19 or 20.
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They were always looking at holiday though... it was pretty clear.

I really think it was Okobo... his name came up a few times with guys around the team.

Also I’m fairly sure Philly and Boston were the teams trying to move up.
 
Bodhi said:
Wanna bet?
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Simons is already more offensively skilled than Allen and more talented on the ball, and he's 3 years younger. He needs a year or two to develop physically.

Are you going to remember this in a couple years when Simons is the better player?
 
The Jazz didn't make this pick in a vacuum. They must have considered all kinds of factors. One consideration may be that the Jazz could lose either Exum or Rubio within a year due to free agency, so they want a guy who can play PG in that eventuality, while also being versatile enough to play the 2 as well. Maybe the Jazz think they're going to be able to get a forward who can score via free agency, so taking Hutchison or Jacob Evans weren't priorities. The Jazz are very focused on maximizing the next 2 - 3-year window and may not have had the patience or the roster flexibility to develop a player like Simons.

That said, at face value Hutchison, Simons and Okobo all look like better talents than Allen, imo.

Allen is a 4-year college player, very well coached. He's a guy who obviously looks good in workouts. His best position longer term may actually be at the 1 where he has a size and strength advantage. It sounds like he dominated against Jalen Brunson in his Jazz workout. My criticisms of him are that he can't really get by defenders off the dribble, he's mediocre at creating looks for himself, and he'll be yet another guy who needs to be set up with multiple actions to be able to score consistently. He's decent at a number of things at the college level, but I'm struggling to identify a bonafide NBA skill. He has decent IQ, but his passes are pretty rudimentary. He's not going to defend like Royce O'Neale. He's not going to score and get fouled like Alec Burks. He's not going to blow by defenders or defend like Dante Exum. Like most players, his ceiling will be based on how well he shoots the ball, and his shooting last year was so-so.

I think he's most likely to be a bench player. If the Jazz retain Exum, then Allen will be our 4th guard at best, competing for minutes with Burks and Royce O'Neale. Who knows if he'll get time at the 1. Maybe he'll replace Raul Neto.
 
I'm still fine with the pick. The only player available at 21 that I personally would have 100% taken ahead of Allen was Elie Okobo. Okobo was #8 on my board. After Okobo the top 5 prospects left on my board at 21 were KBD, Robert Williams, Simons, Musa and Grayson. A good argument can be made for Allen to be the pick over anyone in that group. He was a better fit than Williams on our roster. We need offense and he's more of an offensive player than KBD. And he was a safer pick than Musa or Simons.
 
Catchall said:
The Jazz didn't make this pick in a vacuum. They must have considered all kinds of factors. One consideration may be that the Jazz could lose either Exum or Rubio within a year due to free agency, so they want a guy who can play PG in that eventuality, while also being versatile enough to play the 2 as well. Maybe the Jazz think they're going to be able to get a forward who can score via free agency, so taking Hutchison or Jacob Evans weren't priorities. The Jazz are very focused on maximizing the next 2 - 3-year window and may not have had the patience or the roster flexibility to develop a player like Simons.

That said, at face value Hutchison, Simons and Okobo all look like better talents than Allen, imo.

Allen is a 4-year college player, very well coached. He's a guy who obviously looks good in workouts. His best position longer term may actually be at the 1 where he has a size and strength advantage. It sounds like he dominated against Jalen Brunson in his Jazz workout. My criticisms of him are that he can't really get by defenders off the dribble, he's mediocre at creating looks for himself, and he'll be yet another guy who needs to be set up with multiple actions to be able to score consistently. He's decent at a number of things at the college level, but I'm struggling to identify a bonafide NBA skill. He has decent IQ, but his passes are pretty rudimentary. He's not going to defend like Royce O'Neale. He's not going to score and get fouled like Alec Burks. He's not going to blow by defenders or defend like Dante Exum. Like most players, his ceiling will be based on how well he shoots the ball, and his shooting last year was so-so.

I think he's most likely to be a bench player. If the Jazz retain Exum, then Allen will be our 4th guard at best, competing for minutes with Burks and Royce O'Neale. Who knows if he'll get time at the 1. Maybe he'll replace Raul Neto.
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He's better than Exum (who isn't good at basketball) and Burks (who isn't a smart basketball player).
 
SCS said:
I'm still fine with the pick. The only player available at 21 that I personally would have 100% taken ahead of Allen was Elie Okobo. Okobo was #8 on my board. After Okobo the top 5 prospects left on my board at 21 were KBD, Robert Williams, Simons, Musa and Grayson. A good argument can be made for Allen to be the pick over anyone in that group. He was a better fit than Williams on our roster. We need offense and he's more of an offensive player than KBD. And he was a safer pick than Musa or Simons.
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#8? LMAO. That’s terrible. Not a chance in hell!
 
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