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Jazz select Grayson Allen at 21

Yeah about that - since when have we allowed the inmates to run the asylum?!?!
A. Having input does not equal running. (in actual prisons im certain that the prisoners are able to give input/suggestions and that sometimes they have good ideas that get used)
B. Keeping your best players happy and letting them feel like they have a small part of decision making is a good thing. You want you best players to be happy and for them to want to stick around.
 
I usually give DL the benefit of the doubt, but this is just a terrible pick. No, I don't care about his tripping people, I'm actually OK with that, if he's on my team of course. But he's just not a good player. There is a reason he had to play 4 seasons at Duke.
 
Exactly. You can't play them together against many teams.

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except they both can play the point and they both can play the 2 and the nba is going smaller all the time and the nba is going to positionless basketball where you want lots of guys that can handle and shoot and switch. But ya, other than that.......
 
Eh, I think that two lessons that the Jazz have learned about drafting are:

1. Mental make up is the most important "upside" measurement. Jazz want competitors with talent. Trey Lyles is oozing with talent, but has the mental tenacity of a 15 year old. You can have a player that checks off all of the analytics but will never set or fight through a back screen. We need hard mother ******* that want to win and won't complain about 3 hour practices. Trey Lyles is more talented with more upside than Crowder, but Crowder shows up to play and will bleed if that is required of him, which makes him the far better Jazzman. The jazz selecting Allen may be less of an endorsement of him than an indictment on the rest of the talented players that were mocked around him. Allen could very well have been the baseline and none of the other players showed they could be more in the workouts and scouting.

2. There comes a point where you can't be developing players for 5 years, especially as a small market team. There may be some gems in the rough at the spot where the Jazz drafted Allen, but teams are likely to put in an entire rookie contract and probably an extension before they find it out. And for every gem found eight more teams are going to extend a dud. There is a 10% chance that one of these dudes with upside that were drafted after Allen will become an all-star and a secondary scoring option. But at 21 you are looking for a solid contributor off the bench. If you get that you won. Chances are, the Jazz got that.

It wasn't a "deep draft." This was nowhere near last year's draft where a Mitchell was available at 13. Sometimes "there are picks at 21 which could have been in the lottery" means that your late lottery sucks.

I like guys that want to compete and guys that work hard... that can make up for a lot of things. I think Grayson will get everything out of his basketball ability. Something to be said for that... I'm slowly coming around on the pick, but I think Okobo could be a star. Grayson combined with not moving up for another pick in the 30s (with good players available), and then selling another pick set me off a bit.

And it wasn't a one year frustration... we seem to do this year over year. The year we had the 35th pick and basically sold it because there weren't guys we liked (or didn't want to bring in too many rookies). there were 7-8 NBA players picked after we drafted... Jokic was one of them. I just really want us to squeeze everything out of the draft possible because we aren't a destination FA city... it is our primary building tool.

I wonder if KBD had a medical flag... can't believe how far he fell. I would have liked Melton too, but we kind of have a glut of guard/wings so I get it... just thought there was money left on the table and that we have a habit of doing it that way.
 
That's the thing. Size will effect the lineups they can and can't use. Allen is slow laterally which hurts too.

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Allen aint slow according to his combine numbers. In fact, he is one of the fastest players of all time when it comes to combine testing. Maybe his whiteness makes him look slow to you though. I get that.
 
Greyson can't guard most 1's or several 2's. His offense isn't the problem. Defense is my worry.

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What are you talking about. Another poster posted his advanced defensive numbers and they were good. His whiteness doe.
 
Why not talk about his strengths though? (you and many others have already went over his weaknesses a ton)

Good Gawd that's positive Fish's music...

I'm glad when Fish comes through with the positivity... the sun came up today... Grayson is a Jazz man so I will be rooting for him and his tremendous hand pads.
 
I usually give DL the benefit of the doubt, but this is just a terrible pick. No, I don't care about his tripping people, I'm actually OK with that, if he's on my team of course. But he's just not a good player. There is a reason he had to play 4 seasons at Duke.
He didn't have to play 4 years at duke though. He could have been a lottery pick after his sophmore year.
 
Good Gawd that's positive Fish's music...

I'm glad when Fish comes through with the positivity... the sun came up today... Grayson is a Jazz man so I will be rooting for him and his tremendous hand pads.
lol.
#HandPads>BalanceBeamSkills
 
I like the pick, so this is not a criticism.

I know his combine agility numbers, but watching his highlight video I thought "he plays slow, deliberate". I want to watch a complete game not a highlight before I pass judgment. Looking forward to July 2nd to decide.
 
It sounds very much like a full run it back situation... said we want to retain our three internal FAs... so Neto, Favs, Exum...

Then we have the thre NG contracts... my guess is we pick two of them to bring back and have one open roster spot.
Should be a very fun year. I figure we get into the 50-60 win range and a top 4 seed. Cant wait!
 
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