Cappy_Smurf
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Hey guys, I'm a big Gonzaga fan and I'd say he's the best PG in the league currently. He's a sure thing as an all-star and probably a multiple MVP like for 10 years. Maybe more. GS warriors are scared now.
Jazz select Nigel Williams-Goss at 55
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Cappy_Smurf
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And yet, your claim of abusing him was ok compared to the delusional claims that's he's the best PG on our team now.
It reminds me of a poster here who once said Jarret Jack would be the best PG of his class. He said that after we drafted Deron Williams.
That happened, but I'm sure he probably learned his lesson and would never make ridiculous claims like that again. Oh, except that Ak47 was better than John and Karl. He said that too.
The Thriller
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Exum's not a point guard. Rarely does he even handle the ball beyond bringing it up past half court. Then he goes off to ride in a corner. Prior to game 4 most of you were bitching about exum's handles, lack of confidence, and overall poor PG ability. Now you think hell run the team? Ok. Fine.
Now onto the hyperbole.
You guys are hilarious!
Who claimed that NWG is an all star?
I really don't get the hate some of you are demonstrating here. I honestly don't see it a stretch to claim that NWG right now is our best pg. that's saying that he's better than Mack (who would be a 3rd stringer on most teams) and Neto (who shouldn't even be in the league).
Think about it
RandyForRubio
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I have thought about it.
He's slower than Mack and Neto. He's an ok shooter. Ok ball handler. Not very good at getting into the lane. Can't defend quick PG's (which the league is composed of). Hell man, watch the game where they played West Virginia. He looked scared to bring up the ball againat Juvon Carter!
NWG is best off as an off-guard, but he's either end of bench material or just not an NBA player. Watch the tape. Try to think about it.
RandyForRubio
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Somebody quote that [edited]
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MVP
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Just tells how bad Exum is more than anything else.
Isaiah 1:13
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I don't think that anybody's trying to disparage Exum here. Still I don't think it's a stretch to say that he's struggled in the heir apparent role of starting point guard in his three years with the team. Part of that was the ACL tear and recovery which pushed him back a year and still continues to limit his minutes but fortunately hasn't seemed to inhibit his mobility when he is on the court. That being said, I'm quite certain that if the 2014 draft were held today that we would go a different direction than to draft an eighteen year old with no college experience to mold as our floor general. It's the most demanding position on the floor folks. Not that I've thrown in the towel on Exum I haven't, because of his length and speed, he's a great utility guy, AND it appears that he's starting to get it and is productive in limited service. So I guess I don't understand people getting their panties in a bunch when someone suggests that the starting floor general for Gonzaga a team that had 37 wins and one loss last season, shot close to 50 percent with almost five assists in 33 mins might actually be a better floor general than said three year prospect. I mean it's fairly obvious with the current logjam at point guard on the roster and the two guard picks that the organization is no longer banking on Exum as our starting floor general.
So all I'm saying is let's not disparage Williams Goss as the next slow heavy footed bum before he even gets his chance. Many have called this guy a sleeper and we have a whole lot less invested in him at #55 than we did in Trey Burke. Great value pick IMO and I still think that against all odds as a late 2nd rounder that he makes the roster, but a lot depends on what happens with Hill or filling that void because I for one do not believe that Exum is ready to step into that role. Not at this juncture and possibly not ever.
So all I'm saying is let's not disparage Williams Goss as the next slow heavy footed bum before he even gets his chance. Many have called this guy a sleeper and we have a whole lot less invested in him at #55 than we did in Trey Burke. Great value pick IMO and I still think that against all odds as a late 2nd rounder that he makes the roster, but a lot depends on what happens with Hill or filling that void because I for one do not believe that Exum is ready to step into that role. Not at this juncture and possibly not ever.
prodigy
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NGW compared himself to George Hill before working out with the jazz:
http://www.sltrib.com/home/5411342-155/gonzagas-nigel-williams-goss-compares-himself-to
http://www.sltrib.com/home/5411342-155/gonzagas-nigel-williams-goss-compares-himself-to
Yeah but George Hill was a pretty top level athlete in his athletic prime, and is still more athletic than Goss, even with a bum toe.
seattlejazzfan
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George Hill's vert was 37.5, NWG 34.5, but in the lane agility, NWG was almost a full two seconds faster - in fact, NWG had the fastest lane agility in the draft. similar in size and similar athleticism.
It doesnt show up when he plays basketball. He is closer to Trey Burke athletic ability than George Hill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqcRuPV753o
Goss will never make a play off 1 foot like this in his life.
And the fact that Kevin Love measured with a full second faster lane agility than George Hill did in the same year should tell you how much stock you should put into the lane agility test.
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RandyForRubio
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Cy nailed it. Lane agility tears are pretty iffy.
Coming out of college, Hill tested and played athletic. Like, explosive athletic.
NGW has never been that guy. Honestly, he's more Shaun Livingston than George Hill. And he's a very poor mans version of him.
Coming out of college, Hill tested and played athletic. Like, explosive athletic.
NGW has never been that guy. Honestly, he's more Shaun Livingston than George Hill. And he's a very poor mans version of him.
bring the dreads back NWG
Thought that might be Milli Vanilli
Man, looking at that 2014 draft class, Wiggins isn't close to the impact player he was supposed to be, Jabari has torn his ACL twice, Embiid has played 30 games in 3 years, Aaron Gordon hasn't done much, Exum hasn't done much, and both Smart and Randle are up for trades. Fantastic.
Jack Strop
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But Embiid is the real deal...if he can stay healthy.
Jazz unlucky to have a top-5 pick in a terrible draft year. No criticizing Lindsey. He really didn't have better options.
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I think wiggins is close to the impact player he was supposed to be.
Put up all star type numbers last year.
green
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Exum's is the only draft of Lindsey's I won't criticize.
The rest have been garbage, even Gobert's.
He passed in Gobert three times, could have drafted Giannis and Gobert and instead traded those two for Trey Burke then had to spend 3 million to get Gobert.
What a waste and probably the worst possible way to do that draft.
Jack Strop
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Wow! Are you kidding me? Lindsey STILL gets Gobert and you criticize him for not picking him at #9 or #14? So only Milwaukee had a good draft because they took Giannis?
The previous GM put the Jazz in a terrible position by not having a competent PG on the roster. I blame him for Utah having to draft for need. As for Giannis, yes...ain't hindsight grand. He was viewed as having potential, but so have countless others in every single draft. Had there been agreement on what he'd become, he would have been mocked as the top player and been taken #1.
If anything, DL made a genius move. Got a PG (who apparently Corbin wanted) and still g0t back in the draft to take Gobert. And as much as some criticize him for missing a project in Giannis, only Utah valued Gobert that highly. 1. There are 13 others who wished they would have taken an extremely raw prospect. 2. There were 26 chances for others to take an ever greener prospect in Gobert who had zero offensive skills, was rail thin and wasn't viewed as a top prospect.
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