Jazz Suns trade

[NUMBERICA]

This is my biggest concern. The Suns obviously know exactly what we are trying to do, and they of course are going to try and implement a plan to ensure they are not terrible in 2031. They have a full 6 years to figure it out. They could easily try and compete for the next 2-3 seasons, and proceed to bottom out in 28' and 29', before being at least a middling team in 2031. Even if for some reason they fail on that front, as mentioned, they have no incentive to be bad in 31', and there will be at least 5-7 teams trying to lose as much as possible.

With that said, I think Danny is aware of all this and plans to trade the asset in the next couple of seasons in a package for a good player.

It seems that you don’t know that Phoenix in essence cannot tank because they do not own rights to ANY of their own picks for as far out as the league allows. The best they can do in terms of sustaining success is trying to get a haul trading someone but it (probably) won’t return their picks to them which is the only way that “bottoming out” is a strategy.

 

[baka98]

It really takes a special kind of nerve to be a fan of the 24-25 Jazz and scoff at the Suns – a club making big time win-now moves while spending a **** ton of money – for being "in purgatory" or "NBA hell".

If that's purgatory... I'll have some of it, please.

So the Suns are not exactly planning seven years into the future like the galaxy brain Jazz FO. So what? The NBA moves fast. It's too chaotic. Who knows what's happening even two years from now?

Two years ago the Jazz were in the perfect position for a pivot. They had an All-Star coming into his prime, several promising young players, some steady vets, and an absolute treasure chest of assets for buying reinforcements. On top of that, the team was already beginning to win.

In that situation, you take one look at what you have and say "**** it we ball".

Problem is we don't have the base that the Suns do to do something like that....

 

[baka98]

It seems that you don’t know that Phoenix in essence cannot tank because they do not own rights to ANY of their own picks for as far out as the league allows. The best they can do in terms of sustaining success is trying to get a haul trading someone but it (probably) won’t return their picks to them which is the only way that “bottoming out” is a strategy.

And gambling that those 3 picks will be good - which they won't because they will be at the bottom of the 1st round....

 

[baka98]

After thinking about this and wondering if I like this trade or not, I'm convinced it's the right move. We're taking the OKC approach and getting better value picks, at a time the Jazz should be a good team. I've decided I like it!

 

[Flc]

It really takes a special kind of nerve to be a fan of the 24-25 Jazz and scoff at the Suns – a club making big time win-now moves while spending a **** ton of money – for being "in purgatory" or "NBA hell".

If that's purgatory... I'll have some of it, please.

I really want to know. How are you so consistently wrong about everything? Every single take. You're like ChatGPT for awful basketball opinions - and I'm not even criticizing, it's so remarkably consistent and constant that I'd even admire it if it were a troll job instead of your actual opinion. You're like Kendrick Perkins if he was white, autistic and didn't have a media platform.

 

[silesian]

I think it's pretty obvious that the Suns are using those picks to improve their roster in the short-term. I think I like this move for us, but I'm gonna have to stew on it.

I struggle to find that the heat significantly favor 3 bad picks over one potentially very good pick. I guess it is because the their time horizon is now vs 6 years from now.

 

[Miggs]

Draft Flagg with our pick at #1.

Trade Minny’s pick at #11 and this Suns pick to move up and draft Jakucionis or Maluach depending on other roster movement and how the youth play the rest of the way.

 

[framer]

I struggle to find that the heat significantly favor 3 bad picks over one potentially very good pick. I guess it is because the their time horizon is now vs 6 years from now.

Suns aren't handing over all 3 picks to the Heat. If we get a 4 or 5 team trade, those picks will need to be spread everywhere.

 

[KqWIN]

Beginning to wonder whether the Suns made the trade without any semi-firm thing lined up to follow up with.

Maybe they just calculated that the three picks will serve them better no matter what does or doesn't happen with Butler?

Don’t quote me on this, but the three picks the Suns got from UTA also allows them to skirt by the Stephen rule. The Suns had traded all their picks in odd years (except for 32) and have swaps in the even years. The Stepien rule does not require that the picks must be from the original team, so the suns effectively now have first rounders in 25/27/29. This means that they can now trade the swaps. Being on the bad end of those swaps makes those picks unappealing though.

For example, they have many pick swaps with WAS. They get the lesser of those two picks and before this Jazz trade they could not move from that. Now that they have picks in the odd years they can move those.

Besides the straight value of the 3 for 1 trade, it added some flexibility to their unique situation and ability to keep doubling down lol.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Don’t quote me on this, but the three picks the Suns got from UTA also allows them to skirt by the Stephen rule. The Suns had traded all their picks in odd years (except for 32) and have swaps in the even years. The Stepien rule does not require that the picks must be from the original team, so the suns effectively now have first rounders in 25/27/29. This means that they can now trade the swaps.

For example, they have many pick swaps with WAS. They get the lesser of those two picks and before this Jazz trade they could not move from that. Now that they have picks in the odd years they can move those.

Besides the straight value of the 3 for 1 trade, it added some flexibility to their unique situation and ability to keep doubling down lol.

This is correct. As I understand it they get the lesser of the Phoenix and Washington 2026/2028 firsts but its complex because there are other protections and things looped in... I think that is where it boils down. I would not be surprised if they used one of those to trade for Jimmy and the other to move Nurk. I also wouldn't be surprised if they split the three between sending out Beal, getting Jimmy, and moving Nurkic. Either way those picks should not unpack until february 6th... they may be on the move real quick.

 

[KqWIN]

This is correct. As I understand it they get the lesser of the Phoenix and Washington 2026/2028 firsts but its complex because there are other protections and things looped in... I think that is where it boils down. I would not be surprised if they used one of those to trade for Jimmy and the other to move Nurk. I also wouldn't be surprised if they split the three between sending out Beal, getting Jimmy, and moving Nurkic. Either way those picks should not unpack until february 6th... they may be on the move real quick.

I'm not sure how much the added "flexibility" of trading their swapped picks will really help them, but it can only be seen as a good thing that PHX has more ways to double down on KD/Butler at the expense of their future. I hope it goes well for them and KD/Butler have a nice twilight stage of their career. The longer they go, the more PHX will continue to F themselves long term.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

It really takes a special kind of nerve to be a fan of the 24-25 Jazz and scoff at the Suns – a club making big time win-now moves while spending a **** ton of money – for being "in purgatory" or "NBA hell".

If that's purgatory... I'll have some of it, please.

So the Suns are not exactly planning seven years into the future like the galaxy brain Jazz FO. So what? The NBA moves fast. It's too chaotic. Who knows what's happening even two years from now?

Two years ago the Jazz were in the perfect position for a pivot. They had an All-Star coming into his prime, several promising young players, some steady vets, and an absolute treasure chest of assets for buying reinforcements. On top of that, the team was already beginning to win.

In that situation, you take one look at what you have and say "**** it we ball".

Okay, first of all, the Suns are a luxury tax team relying on an aging star who are .500, are currently a 10th seed, and have given away their most valuable draft capital for the next 5 years. There is literally nothing enviable about their situation.

Second of all, the Jazz were a team with a broken system for the playoffs. Donovan Mitchell was going to leave the Jazz within 2 years, so the Jazz needed to get value for him. They got Lauri and Sexton, plus future draft assets. Ochai factored into getting Isaiah Collier. It was a good decision.