Jazz trade Devin Harris to Atlanta for Marvin Williams (merged)

[billyshelby]

I know everybody likes a new toy, but Marvin Williams is fringe starter in the NBA. He improves us by virtue of the fact we had less than fringe starters in the NBA playing the wing for us last year. If we didn't have that second year, I'd really like the deal. As it stands, I think its pretty neutral.

 

[Fishsticks]

LMAO.

I said Marvin> 2013 free agency as a joke.

Looks guys, I dont care. I dont hate the trade. Could be great. Might not be either.

At least all we gave up is garbage.

And I was being an *** saying morons who think we are getting Harden or any other tier 1 or 2 FA next year are retarded.

 

[Fishsticks]

I know everybody likes a new toy, but Marvin Williams is fringe starter in the NBA. He improves us by virtue of the fact we had less than fringe starters in the NBA playing the wing for us last year. If we didn't have that second year, I'd really like the deal. As it stands, I think its pretty neutral.

What about the second year dont you like? He will probably opt out anyway to get a longer deal. Otherwise, seriously that cap space is worthless. we wont sign a better player than Marvin

 

[billyshelby]

What about the second year dont you like? He will probably opt out anyway to get a longer deal. Otherwise, seriously that cap space is worthless. we wont sign a better player than Marvin

Marvin Williams has ZERO chance to get better than an MLE deal. He'll never opt out.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Our best line-up last year had Favors, Jefferson and Millsap due to the defense and rebounding. Now we've got that defense and rebounding with an SF, so we can have that level of production when either Millsap or Jefferson are out of the game.

 

[Bodhi]

What about the second year dont you like? He will probably opt out anyway to get a longer deal. Otherwise, seriously that cap space is worthless. we wont sign a better player than Marvin

A-****ing-men. So now Marvin's contract is going to kill our ability to sign the 3rd of 3 max guys, right? Do some of you people really think we are going to get more than 1 of those types in 2013? I simply do not, and as a result, I like this move. He is young, has the potential to get better in a new environment, fills a position of need with excellent size, above average defense and shooting to boot......and if he doesn't pan out he will be gone in 2 years.

But I'm probably wrong, now Dwight, Paul and Harden will have to all go their separate ways instead of going through with their "Super Utah 2013" plan.

 

[jazzfan1971]

Marvin may even prefer 4 years of MLE money to one year of 7.5 mil. Some folks will take a bit less for the security.

 

[Shad]

Marvin booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[vslice02]

I know everybody likes a new toy, but Marvin Williams is fringe starter in the NBA. He improves us by virtue of the fact we had less than fringe starters in the NBA playing the wing for us last year. If we didn't have that second year, I'd really like the deal. As it stands, I think its pretty neutral.

I'd rep you again if I could.

I think Marvin will have a pretty solid season for us and I do like the size, length and ability to guard 3's and 4's he gives us at the defensive end. A definite improvement for Utah...obviously bigger and more physical than Hayward, younger and more durable than Howard and knows his limitations and can play within himself unlike CJ. Just don't like taking on guys with not-so-great contracts, and $7.5 mil in 2013 for Marvin Williams is pretty unattractive to me.

 

[billyshelby]

A-****ing-men. So now Marvin's contract is going to kill our ability to sign the 3rd of 3 max guys, right? Do some of you people really think we are going to get more than 1 of those types in 2013? I simply do not, and as a result, I like this move. He is young, has the potential to get better in a new environment, fills a position of need with excellent size, above average defense and shooting to boot......and if he doesn't pan out he will be gone in 2 years.

But I'm probably wrong, now Dwight, Paul and Harden will have to all go their separate ways instead of going through with their "Super Utah 2013" plan.

Cap Space is not only about free agents. And it's only partially about getting the big names. Having a lot of it makes it possible to get any player who is undervalued at the MLE from teams that only have the MLE to offer.

 

[Stifle Tower]

If you look at this Jazz team, we are long, we are tall, we can shoot from the outside...except Al. The more this team is constructed, the more Al needs to be our sixth man, or gone. The good news is, the more this team is constructed, the less important it becomes to get back anything significant from an Al trade. We could trade him for nothing and still be good. IF we were able to trade him for a starting caliber sg or young pg? Holy crap. We would be a team with all the potential in the world.

I'm hoping for a solid backup 5/4 and a top-10 protected pick.

If we get another 1st, that would give us three, probably enough to trade up and get at least the 2nd best PG in teh draft (whoever that will be). And I think we need a banger to come in for 10 mins/per and punish some opposing bigs. Think Fes with the ability to actually make a basket and stamina > 5 mins.

 

[Bodhi]

Cap Space is not only about free agents. And it's only partially about getting the big names. Having a lot of it makes it possible to get any player who is undervalued at the MLE from teams that only have the MLE to offer.

Didn't someone post in another thread that we'd now have roughly $32 mil if Marvin picks up his option? How much do we need?