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Even then as said early. We still have 32 million freakin dollars! All is well. Get laid. Get ****ed up. Do something but whine and bitch all day. This is not pointed to anyone specific, but jesus. Debbie downers galore here.
Jazz trade Devin Harris to Atlanta for Marvin Williams (merged)
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framer
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The fact that he thinks we need to be saving our money to re-up Big Al tells me that he doesn't watch any Jazz basketball, just looks at the box scores. Look, we basically pulled Jamal Tinsley and Josh Howard from the stockroom of Walmart and made something of them last year, we even resurected Harris to the point that someone would want him. Now we have somebody that has all the physical tools. I have a hard time seeing how Williams will regress here. We will have a full training camp and have seriously de-gimped our roster. With a full training camp we should be able to get off to a much quicker start than last year. Remember the first couple of games we played last year? The fact that that squad made the playoffs says a lot about how we can grow this year. I'm not sure we have ever been able to line up solid athletes at every position. And none of this in any way hurts our future flexability. KOC is a genius.
You forget that Devin Harris was also making way more than he was worth. So overall I think it's just about a wash.
billyshelby
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Devin Harris was making 0 next year. I already said I'd love the deal if it was a one year swap. It's the 7.5 in year 2 that makes me cringe. I'm ok with the deal, but if it was my choice I would have stayed "weaker" and kept the cap savings.
billyshelby
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I meant zero in year 2.
cctrackstar
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That's only IF he opts in to it. Most players opt out of those kind of things, and him being the tall athletic player he is, he'll probably opt out of it.
UGLI baby
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No. The Billy has spoken. Marv NOT opting out!!!
billyshelby
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No. He won't. Marvin Williams has virtually no chance whatsoever to be more than an MLE player when next year is over.
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Lol. Billy.
theNBAnerd
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devin was no franchise savior, but he was better than people are giving him credit for, and we'll all understand that after a couple of months of watching mo trying to run the offense, but whatever.
obviously we needed one less PG and at least one more quality wing, so i'm not going to bitch too heavily about mo's style until the fall when there's actually a body of work to bitch about. i will say that marvin is better than a "fringe NBA starter" or whatever the hell somebody said -- fringe NBA starter is what 2012 josh howard was. marvin is 10 and 5 with above average defense for his position.
obviously we needed one less PG and at least one more quality wing, so i'm not going to bitch too heavily about mo's style until the fall when there's actually a body of work to bitch about. i will say that marvin is better than a "fringe NBA starter" or whatever the hell somebody said -- fringe NBA starter is what 2012 josh howard was. marvin is 10 and 5 with above average defense for his position.
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10 and 5? You are out of you mother ****ing mind.
Unless he has some incredibly amazing breakout season, it would be very unwise to opt-out and something that his agent will be shying him away from hard. The fact is, he's young. The type of deal he could get next year would be the same type of deal he could get the next year, neither of which are going to be 7.5 million per year. In a nutshell, with his age there's no rush to be out of his current contract and into a new, long-term contract. I'm with Billy that the second year is more difficult to swallow. I just hope that next year we're not viewing it as an additional burden.
cctrackstar
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He was exactly ten and five, so he is obviously not out of his mind. Now that he'll get the ball passed to him, I think that the points will go up.
But what did he replace? Devin Harris relied almost entirely on his quickness on the dribble to get his points. He didn't have crafty moves, he relied on speed, and his speed is going down as he ages. Oh by the way, he couldn't do a consistent pick and roll to save his life, and the Jazz system relies heavily on the pick and roll. Now I'm not sure if Mo can do the pick and roll, but he has to be better than Devin was, and he can shoot. and he's tougher physically and mentally. All he lacks that Devin has is maybe the speed, but guess what, we have wing players with speed now, so no big deal.
But what did he replace? Devin Harris relied almost entirely on his quickness on the dribble to get his points. He didn't have crafty moves, he relied on speed, and his speed is going down as he ages. Oh by the way, he couldn't do a consistent pick and roll to save his life, and the Jazz system relies heavily on the pick and roll. Now I'm not sure if Mo can do the pick and roll, but he has to be better than Devin was, and he can shoot. and he's tougher physically and mentally. All he lacks that Devin has is maybe the speed, but guess what, we have wing players with speed now, so no big deal.
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Burden to what exactly? I just don't understand this thought? We are not cas strapped. We are not getting multiple max players. **** we be lucky to get one.
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Thats what I'm implying. He had zero ops last year. He wil be a key player for us this year.
Stifle Tower
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And then we'd all complain about how "Impotent" O'Connor and "Miser" Miller had both sat by and just let an asset go without getting ANYTHING in return, not even a 2nd-round pick.
AS difficult as it is to get FA's to come to Utah without significantly overpaying, I like the fact Marvin potentially has a 2nd year. Boozer was pretty motivated his last 2 seasons; first because he thought there would be a market for him when he had the chance to opt out, then when no one was going to pay him more. he had another "contract year" and posted good numbers.
Marvin is in a similar situation. If he plays great, he'll likely get a decent offer and will opt out. If he puts up similar numbers to what he did this past season, then we'll have him as an expiring contract asset.
billyshelby
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We're in the bottom 5 of teams that use the PnR in the entire league.
billyshelby
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It's not remotely hard to get an FA top come to Utah if you can pay more than the MLE and that's all other teams can afford to offer. If Williams is worth more than 7.5, then we will have made a great deal.