Jazz trade Fonteccio to Pistons for 2024 2nd

[Isaiah 1:13]

He was undrafted

Yeah bad intel - he declared in 2015 apparently, worked out for Boston then rescinded his eligibility when he learned he was headed for the second round.

Considering the work involved to negotiate with Tech back itwo years ago when Portland drafted Procida, no way this was just an arbitrary throw-in and the FO is not familiar with him as a player.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I watch a lot of NBA basketball, but Detroit is one of the teams I basically have not watched unless they play the Jazz. Supposedly Knox has been playing decent of late. Detroit is stilm giving up on him like every other team he has played for to date.

I have watched him play for his other teams, and there is good reason he has been moved so much. Lazy/low bbiq defender. Poor closeout defender on 3s (similar to Collins). Can hit open 3s, has good frame and is athletic.
Not a great dribbler to the left. Often has had bad body language.

He is one of those guys that has all the physical tools but never puts it together. I don't thinm Thibs is a good player development coach, and that likely hurt Knox early on. Not optimistic Hardy and his staff can do when so many other teams have been unable to do. Maybe he will surprise us all.

I really like how Simone has played this year. Sad that the reward for it is getting shipped to the armpit of Michigan.

Psychological Scar Tissue is all it is IMO. Don’t mean to minimize it, he’s lost a bit of his bounce (confidence), but being in Utah and seeing how Lauri and John have rebounded from similar afflictions…. Then there’s Dunn who WAS pretty much till he found Utah. Course if it’s lack of effort and motivation, well that’s what the two picks (one already taken in Procida) are for. It’s not a huge risk for a role player with half a season in the starting rotation.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

Psychological Scar Tissue is all it is IMO. Don’t mean to minimize it, he’s lost a bit of his bounce (confidence), but being in Utah and seeing how Lauri and John have rebounded from similar afflictions…. Then there’s Dunn who WAS pretty much till he found Utah. Course if it’s lack of effort and motivation, well that’s what the two picks (one already taken in Procida) are for. It’s not a huge risk for a role player with half a season in the starting rotation.

Agree. Knox and Kira are both players that have potential and were acquired for basically nothing (Jazz valued the picks). If either pans out it will be a bonus.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Okay so this is starting to make a lot more sense from a Detroit Perspective as they deal Bogy and Burks to New York for Grimes and Fournier.

MSN

Looks like maybe no takers on Clarkson.

 

[HeatCheck]

Okay so this is starting to make a lot more sense from a Detroit Perspective as they deal Bogy and Burks to New York for Grimes and Fournier.

MSN

Looks like maybe no takers on Clarkson.

I know some fans look at Troy Weaver as a punching bag but adding Simone and Grimes makes Detroit a better team.

Can understand why teams took a pass on Clarkson. He gets alot of leash here in Utah but has been playing really poorly relative to the $23 mil he's making this season.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Can understand why teams took a pass on Clarkson. He gets alot of leash here in Utah but has been playing really poorly relative to the $23 mil he's making this season.

It feels like we heard a lot of BS along the lines of "Clarkson has a healthy market... a lot of interest... his declining contract is really desirable for teams". Sone of it coming from all kinds of "experts" who get paid to think about and write about NBA basketball.

Of course, some of us knew that if JC had zero market last season after playing well, he's certainly going to have zero market after playing like crap.

There's absolutely no point for him to be on this team any longer, let alone play.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I know some fans look at Troy Weaver as a punching bag but adding Simone and Grimes makes Detroit a better team.

Can understand why teams took a pass on Clarkson. He gets alot of leash here in Utah but has been playing really poorly relative to the $23 mil he's making this season.

Full agreement. My post was meant as a Fontechio as a Bogey replacement scheme- which makes a lot of sense in my book. His 40% three, his ability to make reads, drive and score at the rim and his defense usurps either Bogey or Burks in my mind.

 

[David Hume]

Looking up a sample of rookie guards from the past 6 or so years whose efficiency dramatically improved after their rookie seasons:

Rookie De'Aaron Fox was insanely less efficient as a rookie than Keyonte, and scored much less per 36 as well.
Rookie Trae Young's efficiency is identical to rookie Keyonte's (albeit on much higher volume)
Rookie Anthony Edwards' efficiency was a lot worse (similar to Trae, higher volume).
Rookie LaMelo Ball's is identical.
Rookie SGA's efficiency was very meh (better than Keyonte's for sure, on lower volume), but my God has it exploded upwards since then.

None of this is meant to compare Keyonte to these players. More to underscore the point that rookies, even ones that develop into great players, rarely have good efficiency. It's certainly not a reason to be a doomer about their future.

You are indeed comparing Keyonte to these players. You are not equating Keyonte with them. There's a difference. Ticky tacky on my part to be the language police, just one of those moods.

 

[MTS]

You are indeed comparing Keyonte to these players. You are not equating Keyonte with them. There's a difference. Ticky tacky on my part to be the language police, just one of those moods.

Yeah well, your mom.

 

[silesian]

Simone got $8m per over 2, same annual, fewer years than I predicted.

And….


@Saint Cy of JFC with his crazy *** valuation.

 

[KqWIN]

Looking back this thread....I can't believe I was arguing with people over whether or not this was a sign the Jazz were going to tank the rest of the year

Looking back on this, we traded Simone (who signed for 2/$18) for Flip. How we feeling about that one now?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

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Simone got $8m per over 2, same annual, fewer years than I predicted.

And….


@Saint Cy of JFC with his crazy *** valuation.

He got squeezed because Utah traded him to one of the only teams with cap-space who were interested in paying free agents to improve their team.

What was my insane valuation?