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Jazz trade Olynyk and Ochai to Toronto for Kira Lewis, Otto Porter, and a 2024 1st round pick

TheGoldStandard said:
It was not just a bad month of shooting. Can't create/dribble, looked awful in summer league. I'm guessing they saw enough in practice that they knew he was not part of the future plans for the team. His defense was much improved this year though.
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Agreed except Ochai's defense is a little overrated tbh. He's not great defending big wings which is why Simone took over the SF role. Dunn is better defending guards. Ochai kinda got lost a bit in Hardy's zone defense. Sam Merrill, Keegan Murray and a few others really got their shot off against Ochai too.
 
I think Utah is serious about pursuing a Major League Baseball team, which is so weird becasue I can't think of another City that has a Major League Baseball Team, but only a farm team for basketball.
 
HeatCheck said:
Agreed except Ochai's defense is a little overrated tbh. He's not great defending big wings which is why Simone took over the SF role. Dunn is better defending guards. Ochai kinda got lost a bit in Hardy's zone defense. Sam Merrill, Keegan Murray and a few others really got their shot off against Ochai too.
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lmao wut?

Simone took over because Simone is far and away the better player.

Ochai's defense was not why he wasnt getting minutes.

There's nothing to overthink with Ochai. He stopped hitting shots and then he lost confidence.
 
So w
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Fair analysis.

There is also a pattern here. Ainge is building value in players the first half of the season for a sell on value add. Meanwhile, draft picks get minutes in the G-League and after 4 months there, they get promotions to the full team for the second half of the season. Rinse and repeat. As the value game goes, it's not bad.
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So what you're saying is DA is running a clearing house where the Jazz train players for the rest of the league. I'm not liking that a whole lot.
 
Flc said:
No, making a trade with good value is an action. A plan is composed of multiple actions, aligned to each other to get a result.

You see the actions. You don't see the plan. But you also aren't a 15 mo old who sees the apple go behind the napkin and think it has vanished from the universe, Stitches. Just because you aren't privy to the details of said plan isn't an argument that it doesn't exist.
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It's also not an argument that it does exist.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
And that's fine, but what did they see during the off season to call him untouchable and talk about him as a future starter. Either the talk was BS or they changed their minds quicker than I would hope our decision makers would change their minds.

I wonder if their was an opportunity in the off season to move Ochai for better value. I still think Ochai could be a good player. It feels like we are selling low.
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Maybe but that always felt like sales talk to me. Like they wanted something more for him and realized early... but didn't find anyone that would bite. They may have believed it until summer league.

If they sold low it wasn't that low. Look he was always super mid and replaceable... I tried to tell yall.
 
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