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Jazz Trading JLIII, Murphy for Carrick Felix

Uhhh wasn't it like 3.3 million?
No. Felix was only on the Cavs' payroll for $816K guaranteed. They traded him for all guys they could waive or trade, so $0 guaranteed. End result is Cleveland dumped $816K in payroll.

However, the more I think about it this wasn't a straight salary dump for the Cavs. They wanted as many unguaranteed contracts back as they could get, or else the Jazz would have likely only sent one of the three contracts over.

JAZZ GET Felix, $1 million (more than enough to pay Felix), a 2nd round pick
CAVS GET three contracts they can use in a later trade
 
Wasn't there an article written about how much harder it is nowadays to find those diamonds in the rough, because of the internet, more and better scouting as well as increased in investment?

I'm not sure I've seen the article you're thinking of, but I do agree with that sentiment. Harder, but not impossible.
 
I'm not sure I've seen the article you're thinking of, but I do agree with that sentiment. Harder, but not impossible.

Also with the harder cap being implemented, cheaper talents (i.e., draft picks) are becoming more valuable, putting more emphasis on 'leaving no stone unturned' thereby making it harder again to find obscure talent.
 
Also with the harder cap being implemented, cheaper talents (i.e., draft picks) are becoming more valuable, putting more emphasis on 'leaving no stone unturned' thereby making it harder again to find obscure talent.
The cap isn't harder for most teams, and with veteran contracts shorter and potentially cheaper (smaller max raises), the savings on rookie deals are not as great as they once were. I'd guess rookie scale contracts lost trade value in the new CBA.
 
Also with the harder cap being implemented, cheaper talents (i.e., draft picks) are becoming more valuable, putting more emphasis on 'leaving no stone unturned' thereby making it harder again to find obscure talent.

Go on...I think you are on to something.
 
The cap isn't harder for most teams, and with veteran contracts shorter and potentially cheaper (smaller max raises), the savings on rookie deals are not as great as they once were. I'd guess rookie scale contracts lost trade value in the new CBA.

The "apron" effectively hard caps the big markets pretty damn well. The only way for a guy like Prickoff or Allen to attempt to buy a team is to re-sign their own Bird's Rights players. I.e. the Nets cannot receive a player in a sign and trade.

The Jazz can take advantage of this by taking unprotected picks years out from teams who are getting desperate.

The only saving grace for the big markets today is the speed of cap increases that are being projected -- they can potentially grow out of their problems.
 
The cap isn't harder for most teams, and with veteran contracts shorter and potentially cheaper (smaller max raises), the savings on rookie deals are not as great as they once were. I'd guess rookie scale contracts lost trade value in the new CBA.

Really? I'm on expert on the CBA but I thought before the new CBA draft picks were easily sold by smaller market teams needing extra cash. But with the new CBA you hardly get that nowadays.
 
Really? I'm on expert on the CBA but I thought before the new CBA draft picks were easily sold by smaller market teams needing extra cash. But with the new CBA you hardly get that nowadays.
Uh...money spent buying picks doesn't count against the cap. If teams are less willing to pay for picks, it means those picks are less (not more) valuable.
 
The "apron" effectively hard caps the big markets pretty damn well. The only way for a guy like Prickoff or Allen to attempt to buy a team is to re-sign their own Bird's Rights players. I.e. the Nets cannot receive a player in a sign and trade.

The Jazz can take advantage of this by taking unprotected picks years out from teams who are getting desperate.

The only saving grace for the big markets today is the speed of cap increases that are being projected -- they can potentially grow out of their problems.
And?

1.Why would this make rookie scale contracts more valuable?

2. Would this offset the greater cost of rookie scale deals relative to non-rookie scale deals?
 
Uh...money spent buying picks doesn't count against the cap. If teams are less willing to pay for picks, it means those picks are less (not more) valuable.

What I mean is teams are less willing to SELL picks for just straight up cash (unlike before the CBA).



Teams now would rather hold on to them as they are a good way of getting good quality talent on the cheaper pay scale.
 
Teams can only spend $3M in cash per year rather than per transaction. That has curbed a bunch of the purchasing of picks.

Doesn't really have much to do with pay scale.
 
It nice to see the Jazz being active on the trade front. It shows they are trying and not just playing it conservative.
 
And?

1.Why would this make rookie scale contracts more valuable?

2. Would this offset the greater cost of rookie scale deals relative to non-rookie scale deals?

Sorry but I'm not getting into the middle of your beef with Nickkkk. Clicking "view post" is too damn much work.
 
Just wanted to share this interesting article:

https://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/213226171.html

In new CBA, 2nd round picks take on even greater importance for cost-conscious NBA

There was a time when second-round draft picks in the NBA held about as much value to some teams as the caps that were given to each player chosen on draft night.

As the new collective bargaining agreement imposes far harsher penalties for exceeding the salary cap, finding cheap, productive players after the first round closes has never been more important.

The NBA draft opens on Thursday night, with most of the interest from fans focused on the top 14 lottery selections. While many might tune out once those are over, the draft will really be just getting started. Finding players who can fit into a team's rotation — either next season or after a year or two of development — has become a priority for cost-conscious franchises that spend the bulk of their money on an All-Star or two at the top of their roster.

"Eventually, the cap is pretty hard," new Timberwolves President Flip Saunders said. "You're going to have to have people that are going to be able to fit in. Especially if you have a good team and have two or three guys who are close to max (salary) type players, then you're going to have to find some low-end type guys that fit into (your payroll). That's why the development of some low-round guys can be important."

That trend could be seen all over the NBA playoffs, where teams struck gold players drafted in the second round, or not drafted at all. The Golden State Warriors had Draymond Green and Carl Landry. The Houston Rockets had Omer Asik and Chandler Parsons. The Indiana Pacers had Lance Stephenson and Sam Young. The Memphis Grizzlies had Marc Gasol. They were all players who were drafted in the second round, either by the team they were playing for or a previous team. All players who played crucial minutes for teams making postseason runs.

It was more of the same in the NBA Finals, where Miami had second-rounder Mario Chalmers and undrafted big men Chris Andersen and Udonis Haslem against the San Antonio Spurs, perhaps the NBA's gold standard for finding and developing under-the-radar talent.

Danny Green was a second-round draft pick of the Cavaliers in 2009 and was cut twice by the Spurs before developing into a reliable perimeter shooter who broke the record for 3-pointers made in a finals series. Gary Neal was undrafted and had to go over to Europe before getting a chance with the Spurs' summer league team and solidifying himself as one of the team's first players off the bench.

And Manu Ginobili, of course, has been one of the most successful second-round picks in NBA draft history, a three-time champion and one-third of a Spurs core that has stuck together for 10 years.

"Ginobili, that was a pick that a lot of people knew was going to be good," Saunders said. "It's just at the time a lot of people didn't want to wait for him. So that was a good pick for them.

"Green was cut by Cleveland. There's a lot of ways to build your team, whether it's through the draft or taking guys that you feel fit better in your system than somebody else can."

Other notable second-round picks in recent years include Isaiah Thomas, Nikola Pekovic, DeAndre Jordan and Goran Dragic.

Whomever is taken in the second round this season certainly doesn't need to make a difference right away. They often are stashed away on the bench, or in Europe for a season or two, and developed before they get a shot at significant minutes in the NBA. Because they come into the league making a relatively small salary, teams can afford to be patient with them early.

In this new fiscal world, they can't afford not to.

The penalties for exceeding the salary cap are so harsh these days that even teams in the largest markets with the biggest revenues are starting to pay it some serious attention. Often after signing two or three players to big-money contracts, there is little left over to spend on the supporting cast.

Fortunately for the savvy NBA general manager, second-round picks cost them little in the way of up-front investment.

The trend offers encouragement for some of the fringe prospects in this year's draft. They watched players who weren't picked in the lottery become featured pieces in the postseason, offering a road map to the NBA one way or another.

"There are a lot of different routes to the NBA," Wisconsin forward Jared Berggren said. "You don't have to be a lottery pick or a first-rounder to make an impact in the league. I don't know if that's what it's going to take for me. Whatever it takes, I'm going to stick with it and hopefully reach my goal of one day playing in the NBA, however I get there."

And even if they don't hear their name called Thursday night, Neal offered a little bit of advice on how to channel the disappointment into something productive.

"Just dealing with the reality that I wasn't going to get drafted, that's like a crossroad for a lot of guys coming out of college," Neal said. "You realize you're not going to get drafted and there's a great chance that you might not become an NBA player.

"You kind of have to make your mind up that you want to continue on professionally and take the European route and take it seriously. After I talked it over with my family, that's what I decided to do. I was able to mentally just get past the European thing and go over there and be professional about it."
 
Still confused. How does this particular move tell you we are bound for the lottery? How does this trade prevent us from making another move?

Well the Trevor Booker move tells me we might be trying to make the playoffs.



I don't think us getting Carrick Felix screams 'we're making the playoffs'.
 
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