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Jazz vs. Red Sox

akirac73

akirac73

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So which "collapse" was worse?

Utah Jazz starting the season 27-13 then missing the playoffs (first time it ever happened in the NBA)

or

Boston Red Sox blowing a 9 game lead with less than a month left in the season and missing the playoffs (worst collapse in MLB history)?


I would say Red Sox, because they didn't lose their best player and head coach mid season...
 
Didn't the Mets have a similar collapse to the Red Sox a few years ago? My baseball knowledge is seriously lacking, so I don't know?

And Id say the Red Sox one was worse, they didn't lose a Hall of Fame coach and a franchise Player in the same season
 
dalamon said:
Didn't the Mets have a similar collapse to the Red Sox a few years ago? My baseball knowledge is seriously lacking, so I don't know?

And Id say the Red Sox one was worse, they didn't lose a Hall of Fame coach and a franchise Player in the same season
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Yes, in 2007. Not as epic though. The Red Sox had I believe a 9 game lead in the WC before blowing it. The Braves had a similar lead and blew it in the NL. As to the OP, I won't go as far to say the Jazz collapse was worse than the Red Sox. We are talking about a Large Market Baseball team versus a Small Market Basketball team. If it was a team like the Lakers or Heat collapsing then sure.
 
The Red Sox were a virtual lock to make the playoffs a month before their season ended.

The Jazz were out of the race by the all star break, or pretty close to it. The Red Sox collapse was much worse.
 
Not even close. Sox and Braves choke was epic - they both fell off a cliff. Jazz went steadily downhill.
 
gomretat said:
Not even close. Sox and Braves choke was epic - they both fell off a cliff. Jazz went steadily downhill.
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I'd almost say the Braves collapse was worse, The Red Sox had some significant injuries. The Jazz downfall coincided with an injury to Deron and then his ongoing feud with Jerry. Even had Deron NOT benn traded, it's a distinct possibility the Jazz would have missed the playoffs anyway. Deron didn't make much of a difference with the Nets. He may have been better off just resting his wrist.
 
GVC said:
The Jazz had the fifth highest payroll in the NBA last season.
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That's because we had a guy like Kirilenko making the max. The Red Sox were considered possibly the best team in baseball in August. Even with our great start, I find it hard to argue that we had one of the top teams in the NBA talent wise.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Sox didn't lose their coach and lone star player in the middle of the season. Jazz drop was expected, Sox was not.
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The Jazz were slipping before Sloan and Williams left. They were a team going through some turnover. So they didn't really fall apart like the Red Sox.
 
trigg3r said:
The Red Sox were considered possibly the best team in baseball in August. Even with our great start, I find it hard to argue that we had one of the top teams in the NBA talent wise.
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I don't disagree. My problem was the implication that the Jazz didn't spend when you called them a small market team. That hasn't been true for a few years now.
 
Red Sox had the best team on paper in the AL, and probably in all of baseball.

We were a decent team that lost Boozer, Wes, and Brew.
 
GVC said:
I don't disagree. My problem was the implication that the Jazz didn't spend when you called them a small market team. That hasn't been true for a few years now.
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In the scheme of things they are a small market team even with their payroll. They have 2 non contributors or small contributors eating up a huge chunk of salary in Kirilenko and Okur. I guess you can argue Kirilenko contributed more than I give him credit for. Now if we were spending like the Mavs and Lakers then I would say the failure was comparable. Anyway, they were up there as far as payroll but not near a team like LA. As for Boston, the Clay Buchholtz injury and Josh Beckett injury really screwed them. Lester was also pitching ineffectively at the least opportune time. I am glad I am not a Red Sox fan.... That is until I remember I am a Cub fan.
 
I'm on Baltimore Orioles fan and it felt almost as good as a Playoff win.

Also another question could be which team will recover faster, I've heard from the talking heads this could put the Boston in a tail spin for a few years. I also think Francona leaving/fired is a mistake and an over reaction but don't mind cause I think it hurts them.
 
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