jazzfanz AWESOME Fantasy Basketball League
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UGLI baby
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Not you duh, were still splitting it.
Read slower and when in doubt google.
I'm a numbers guy.. Was just wondering, typically, how many commit vs actual.
UGLI's lazy, will never happen. "awesome fantasy". Pffffft
UGLI baby
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Is this a question? Are you deliberately trying to confuse me? haha
You definitely always lose some people before the draft. That's why I like to do buy ins, weeds out the ones who would drop out anyways.
In a no money league I'd say out of 10 that commit, 3 or 4 will see the league through.
With a buy in it'll be more like 9-10 people.
UGLI baby
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I'll be at 6:47.. After confirmation.
Gyp Rosetti
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UGLI,
I just PM'ed you. You know I'm in. I just wanted to offer my general thoughts on some things you mention here. I fully understand it's your league and I'm not trying to step on your toes but I think it's good to have open dialogue here and have rules and such straightened out pre-draft.
Keeper--We have to do this. This is why I'm joining. That said, keeping eight player is way too many imo. I think 3-5 is good. We want there to be liquidity year over year. Otherwise, the first few rounds are not only weak in prospects, they're thin as far helping out those teams who are keeping the some knuckleheads because their team sucked the year before. While we don't want to punish those who draft really well, I still think eight is too many. At the absolute most, I would say six guys, one center, two forwards, two guards, and one player atb any position who was drafted in round five on, or something to that effect.
Money-$50's good. I wouldn't offer too many weekly and other such prizes or it'll make the final prizes sort of week. IMO, we don't need too many incentives. We're adults and know what we're getting into here.
Scoring--what are the eight categories again?
Weekly Auction--As far as the dollar amount each has to buy auctioned players, is this real money? In other words, might I have to put in another $30 on top of the original $50 entry?
D League--I think we should be able to call up a player but be able to send them back down and call them back up once more. Maybe twice more. Also, once I name my three D League guys at the beginning of the year, they're on my team for two years no matter what, and don't count toward the number of keepers I can keep?
I would not have two separate drafts...just one with vets and rookies. Mixing it up like that makes strategy more important.
Just my two cents. Now email me the G'damn link.
UGLI baby
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I appreciate the thoughts and I'm definetely up for having an open dialogue about it.
Keepers: My reasoning for having it be high is that I want it to really feel like it is your "franchise." If you only keep 3 guys all that happens is the elite guys will always be kept. No chance at stashing guys with high upside and really no strategy. With only a few guys it's way to obvious who to keep. I want there to be thought involved in who you keep so that by year 3 of the league you could have a guy that you've been holding onto the first couple years that really starts to pay dividends. Also, with a low amount of keepers it basically renders the D league part of the league useless. Let's say I had drafted Favors when he came out of college and left him on my D League squad the first 2 years. Then last offseason I would've had to choose to keep him or put him back in the re draft. With a small amount of keepers there is almost no way I would've kept him, even though he is the perfect example of why the D league will be fun in this league. With 8 keepers and 15 man rosters, that still leaves some talent in the re-draft every year. We can look into it more, but IMO if you're doing a keeper league you should actually keep a good amount of players or else there is just no strategy. I have a creative idea o help with roster turnover in the league down the road, but I need to think of it more to see if it makes sense.
Money: I agree on the weekly prizes. I'm not going to do any at all. I have thought of a way to keep interest in the league from year to year though, I'll post about it in the league forum.
Scoring: FG% FT (either % or FTM, still messing around with it) REB BLK AST 3PM PTS STL
Weekly Auction: No not real money. The reasoning for the Auction is because I hate it when fantasy basketball just becomes a contest about who can be the most persistent at picking up guys everyday and plugging them into their roster. It should be about spotting talent. The auction takes place at the start of every week and you submit blind bids for players you want. It's not something you have to be present for or anything and is really simple.
D League: The reason why I said only one call up is because it will be too tedious and confusing for me to move players from your D League to ESPN roster all the time. So think of the D League as just a place to stash players til you are ready to use a roster spot on them, not as extra roster space to be filtering guys to and from your team. The only exception to this will be if, for example, I called a player from my D League team to my real team, then dropped him outright and you picked him up, he could go onto your D League team because he has never been on your team. If this doesn't make sense, I'll explain the D League part in detail later. The D League players can stay on your D League roster their 1st and 2nd years in the league, after their sophomore year you have to decide to use them as one of your keepers or release them into the re draft player pool. Also, if you call them up at any point that means you would have to use a keeper spot to retain them.
Seperate drafts: The two drafts is partly for fun and to give us something to do in the off season. Shortly after the NBA draft we will have our rookie draft. After the rookie draft you will have to decide who stays and goes from your D League squad, then before the season we will have the re draft for free agents that were not kept.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Thanks for the feedback.
Having read all of it, I see your reasoning some on keepers but still think eight is too many. I think six would be good as there would still be the chance to get a very strong, impact player. Keeping eight just about eliminates that possibility imo and limits us to the rookie draft for having any such hope and unless you have a top three pick in the rookie draft, getting a stud there is even unlikely. If you want to do eight, that's cool though. My only real issue is with having two drafts. It takes away from strategy and determining where to pick the rookies compared to if they were just mixed in with the vets. Additionally, the team who gets the first pick in the rookie draft would also presumably get the first pick in the regular draft. In certain years, someone would be able to get Blake Griffin AND also get the best vet who wasn't kept. Not sure that's fair. Hey, you sucked, here's two first overall picks.
Having read all of it, I see your reasoning some on keepers but still think eight is too many. I think six would be good as there would still be the chance to get a very strong, impact player. Keeping eight just about eliminates that possibility imo and limits us to the rookie draft for having any such hope and unless you have a top three pick in the rookie draft, getting a stud there is even unlikely. If you want to do eight, that's cool though. My only real issue is with having two drafts. It takes away from strategy and determining where to pick the rookies compared to if they were just mixed in with the vets. Additionally, the team who gets the first pick in the rookie draft would also presumably get the first pick in the regular draft. In certain years, someone would be able to get Blake Griffin AND also get the best vet who wasn't kept. Not sure that's fair. Hey, you sucked, here's two first overall picks.
UGLI baby
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For the keepers, I see what you're saying about the league being somewhat stagnant, and if you don't have a good roster it might be a little hard to turn things around. I'm trying to come up with some ideas to help with that. let me know what you think, not saying I'll do either, just want feedback.
Ideas:
Put a limit on how long players can be kept. I actually think this could be a really good idea, I just have to think of what makes the most sense.
Make it so you can keep 6-8 players. There could be two "supplemental" rounds after the first round of the re draft, if you kept 7 guys you would get one pick, 6 guys 2 picks.
I'll think of something before the draft, I want there to be continuity, and the chance to really build a team with young guys, but not make it too hard to go from a crappy team to a good one.
With the two drafts, I'm thinking there will be a lottery between non playoff teams for the rookie draft (all even odds so there is no tanking) and either a lottery with odds dependent on finish or just a straight drawing for the re-draft. With it being snake, I'm not sure that there is even an advantage (could be a disadvantage) in going first in the re-draft.
I think the basis for the league is really good, but could be tweaked a little and I appreciate the input. Hopefully we can get most or all of this stuff locked down before the draft so there is no confusion or complaining.