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franklin said:
You homophobes.
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franklin said:
The majority from Log... hmmm....
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Actually, from my count the post tally in this thread is as follows:

franky - 16
Archie - 14
LogGrad98 - 14 (counting this one)
Numberica - 10
Trout - 9

And I didn't count One Brow and Spazz who each have a decent amount in this thread.

Looks like the majority are from you, frankette.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Actually, from my count the post tally in this thread is as follows:

franky - 16
Archie - 14
LogGrad98 - 14 (counting this one)
Numberica - 10
Trout - 9

And I didn't count One Brow and Spazz who each have a decent amount in this thread.

Looks like the majority are from you, frankette.
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My bad. I should have noted that I was applying a post count/day factor, making you by far the leading poster.


Regardless, I should be the top volume poster in this thread and that's no secret. All other top posters are on jazzhacks somewhere. One Brown is obvious, as is Archie, and might as well throw babe in the mix too. Numberica got sucked into a ***-for-tat in this thread so maybe he doesn't really frequent Hacks, but I have strong doubts. Trout is there in multiples too, as usual.


So there you have it. All five top posters plus Spazz and One Brown are Jazzhacks scum.
 
Mmmmm, pad thai.



Not sure what that has to do with jazzhacks, but ok.
 
One Brow said:
Considering millions of atheists are raising their kids with moral values, minus the religious component, your statement is obviously false.
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Every family raises their kids with some type of moral values whether they try to or not. My statement holds true for passing on shared mores that are crucial to a stable and prosperous society.

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?"

--- Thomas Jefferson

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

---John Adams
 
Millsapa said:
Every family raises their kids with some type of moral values whether they try to or not. My statement holds true for passing on shared mores that are crucial to a stable and prosperous society.

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?"

--- Thomas Jefferson

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

---John Adams
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For in a warm climate, no man will labour for himself who can make another labour for him. This is so true, that of the proprietors of slaves a very small proportion indeed are ever seen to labor. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever
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How like you to pervert an anti-slavery diatribe into some notion Jefferson thought religion was indespensible for moral upbring, a notion Jefferson would have despised.

Adams did indeed think religion was important for keeping the uneducated moral, but could be disposed of by the more educated.

Atheists are more than capable of providing shared mores crucial to a prosperous society. They just do it without tying it to bronze-age mythologies and morals.
 
One Brow said:
How like you to pervert an anti-slavery diatribe into some notion Jefferson thought religion was indespensible for moral upbring, a notion Jefferson would have despised.

Adams did indeed think religion was important for keeping the uneducated moral, but could be disposed of by the more educated.

Atheists are more than capable of providing shared mores crucial to a prosperous society. They just do it without tying it to bronze-age mythologies and morals.
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LOL

It doesn't matter what instigated Jefferson's statements.

"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God."

Atheists just ain't gonna give their kids this conviction.

It is the edumacated that need religion most.

There are four pillars that hold society together. These are institutions that are critical to any functioning group. Without them, the survival of the group is in peril.

We all agree that government is one of those pillars. Government exists to fight evil with force. In government, we bestow the right to kill, imprison, write laws, and enforce them. Without government, it is a simple matter for evil men to band together and overpower the good. Government is simply good men banding together to keep evil men from doing so.

The second institution is business. We need to be economically prosperous, and our amoral corporations are the way we do this. This allows people to come together to seek the economic benefit of themselves, and thus each other. Without business, it is impossible to grow and move food around society, and impossible to secure the physical blessings of liberty.

The third institution is the family. The family is where our newest members are welcomed. They are raised by two loving parents (in the ideal), and are taught how to function in society. The corruption of the family means we have no way of ensuring the continuation of our society.

The fourth institution is religion. While government can only govern men's actions, religion governs men?s beliefs. Religion sets an ideal, something to aspire to. It encourages men to aspire for it, and lays down the road they must follow to obtain it. In some ways, it can be argued that religion is the pillar that bears all other pillars up. Without a religious belief that laws must be followed, government would cease to exist. Without a religious belief that one must work and benefit society, business would collapse. Without a religious belief in the family and in dedicating oneself to it, families would evaporate.
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https://fwcon.wordpress.com/2007/09/2...rs-of-society/
 
Millsapa said:
It doesn't matter what instigated Jefferson's statements.
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When your purpose is to quote mine some person, whose authority you think will help your position, it most certainly does not matter what the context is or what they were addressing. Those who believe in honest debate will disagree.

Your link did not work, and I did not find a similar article in September of 2007 on that site.
 
One Brow said:
When your purpose is to quote mine some person, whose authority you think will help your position, it most certainly does not matter what the context is or what they were addressing. Those who believe in honest debate will disagree.

Your link did not work, and I did not find a similar article in September of 2007 on that site.
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Don't get all whiney on me, Unibrow. Liberties and a belief in God is the context we are talking about and also the one Jefferson is addressing. Is there anything else about his wisdom you want to whine about?

The relevant parts of the article were quoted. It makes a fair case that religion is an essential pillar of society.
 
Millsapa said:
Don't get all whiney on me, Unibrow.
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Who is that?

Millsapa said:
Liberties and a belief in God is the context we are talking about and also the one Jefferson is addressing. Is there anything else about his wisdom you want to whine about?
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Jefferson's wisdom? The man who believed Jesus was a moral teacher whose views were distorted by Paul and the Gospel writiers? The man who said every man should be free to believe in as many gods as they desired, nor no god at all, and that this would do him no injury? The man who railed against the evils of organized religion? I find nothing to whine about regarding Jefferson's wisdom. Your presentation of that information was fundamentally inaccurate, but again that's nothing to whine about, it's de riguer.

Millsapa said:
The relevant parts of the article were quoted. It makes a fair case that religion is an essential pillar of society.
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https://fwcon.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/four-pillars-of-society/

Well, it makes a strong rant. There is no case at all, just empty declarations.
 
Millsapa said:
Don't get all whiney on me, Unibrow. Liberties and a belief in God is the context we are talking about and also the one Jefferson is addressing. Is there anything else about his wisdom you want to whine about?

The relevant parts of the article were quoted. It makes a fair case that religion is an essential pillar of society.
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Millsapa is just hilarious here.
 
I think One Brow is quite religious, it's just not the same religion as some of those posting in this thread.




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