Jefferson named among ESPN's Top 5 Overrated Rebounders

[cctrackstar]

Unbelievable. And how is it that someone who is rebounding so much is bad at reabounding?

Al is the primary 'rebounder' on the team when he's on the floor. It's just what he does. I think the problem is that when he is in there, the other four players on the floor stop trying to get rebounds thinking that Al will get it anyway, so boards that would have been obtainable outside of Al's range go to the other team. When Al comes out then everyone else picks up the slack and they rebound better. It's not Al's fault unless he gets upset when someone else gets a board. It's the rest of the team's fault for being lazy and not trying because Al's in there.

It's the same problem the team has on offence when Al 'the black hole' gets the ball in the post. Sure he has a history of not passing the ball, but have you looked at the rest of the team? They just stand there and wait for him to shoot, they aren't cutting, they aren't getting open, so why should he pass it to them? Al has been getting better at this, or has the team started trying to get position finally? I think there are some lazy players on this team non named Al on both offense and defense.

 

[zman1527]

The rationale:

Unlike baseball, a sport in which the marginal value of a given action at the individual level is essentially the same at the team level -- upgrading to a new third baseman who hits 10 more home runs than the old one, for instance, will result in 10 more home runs for the team -- adding, say, a prolific individual rebounder does not necessarily mean the team will reap big benefits on the boards.

Why is this? The main reason is that the act of rebounding involves players competing not just with opponents but also with members of their own teams. There are only so many boards to go around on a team, and often seemingly productive rebounders rack up gaudy totals in part by "stealing" boards from teammates, rather than adding extra rebounds to their teams' bottom lines.

He then goes on with stats that show that elite rebounders do not increase the rebounding percentage for their teams, they just take rebounds from teamates seems to be the point. Thus it seems like not such a knock on BA as it is on top rebounders in general. That's what I got out of the intro. No subscrip so I did not read beyond that.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Useless article. Al can rebound if he wants to. He's at least a decent defensive rebounder.

 

[cctrackstar]

So, let me get this straight: In order for Al to become a better rebounder he needs to stop rebounding.

What a load of crap. As I already said, the rest of the team needs to step up. If Al is getting all the post rebounds, then box out further out. If your guy is trying to get a rebound instead of running the court, then box him out and get it instead, even if that's outside of the paint. I am glad that Al is trying to put the team on his back, but I really do think that the rest of the team is lazy and isn't trying hard enough themselves.

 

[Brown Notes]

Crazy how far Dwight has fallen since he was dominating the league. Two years ago I'd have said Miami is a better team trading LBJ for him straight up. Of course James got better too but still, wow.

 

[infection]

Crazy how far Dwight has fallen since he was dominating the league. Two years ago I'd have said Miami is a better team trading LBJ for him straight up. Of course James got better too but still, wow.

Dominating the league? Dwight is a huge cancer without any real toughness mentally. He's Tracy McGrady 2.0 with much, much more drama and a handbag away from a princess.

 

[SojoDave]

 

[BYE]

The rationale:

He then goes on with stats that show that elite rebounders do not increase the rebounding percentage for their teams, they just take rebounds from teamates seems to be the point. Thus it seems like not such a knock on BA as it is on top rebounders in general. That's what I got out of the intro. No subscrip so I did not read beyond that.

Interesting thesis. I'd like to know how teams get better at rebounding then. Something tells me that Miami wouldn't mind Asik or Verajao "stealing" more defensive rebounds for them.

It seems there are at least two ways:
1) Personnel (it's interesting that the teams with the most rebounds/48 minutes are Minnesota, Indiana, Denver, L.A., Golden State etc.). Each one of these teams has at least one quality rebounder if not two or three for their position (Minn.: Love; Indiana: George, Hibbert, West; Denver: Faried, Koufos, McGee; L.A.: Howard, Jordan, Gasol; G.S.: Lee). The rest of the teams seem to follow suit as well with Boston and Miami (both without Centers) coming in last.

2) Defensive balance and positioning, i.e., when someone challenges a shot, another player boxes out the man that that player left.

Types of rebounds are important as Locke showed that teams that offensive rebound in the top are often bad teams unless they defensive rebound well also, while those that defensive rebound in the top are usually top teams.

Also, how bad your team's shooting % will dictate how many rebounds you get.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Dominating the league? Dwight is a huge cancer without any real toughness mentally. He's Tracy McGrady 2.0 with much, much more drama and a handbag away from a princess.

I don't disagree with your general sentiment here but comparing him to McGrady isn't fair. McGrady never won a playoff series. Howard helped lead a team to the NBA Finals, albeit with great play from Turkoglu and Lewis.

 

[Brown Notes]

Dominating the league? Dwight is a huge cancer without any real toughness mentally. He's Tracy McGrady 2.0 with much, much more drama and a handbag away from a princess.

I guess you don't remember 2 years ago. Too bad cuz Deron was really, really good a little earlier than that.

 

[carolinajazz]

i dont think you have any stats to back this up bro. why do u choose to live this life of lies bro?

...it was obviously hyperbole. Lighten up! We all know Jefferson is a monster on the boards!