John Stockton Claims He Had Proof of 1000 Athletes Dying of Vaccine

[LogGrad98]

I can see my post. Perhaps you have me on ignore.

I wondered what post he was talking about.

 

[Gameface]

So has Stockton revealed his proof yet?

 

[One Brow]

I wondered what post he was talking about.

I edited the post. Perhaps it disappeared from view during an edit?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

To be clear, I never questioned that the interview happened or that those specific words were said. When I asked SteakandEggs why the information in the video mattered, he came up blank. Do you feel the information matters? Why?


What did you hear that was concerning to you?


I can only think of one person on the left (and not all that far left) in this forum who engages in bullying.


I heartily endorse this remark.


Soros is just another billionaire, and they're all greedy assholes who'd rather burn society than lose power (otherwise they would not be billionaires). He's no different from the Koch brothers or the Walton family in that regard. You put a real stink on your otherwise fine post here.

You're right. You were on ignore. You're off now.

I'm not sure how you do the multiquote thing when responding so I'll just handle each of them in order below:

I cannot conceive of how you could claim that SteakandEggs came up blank. He stated repeatedly multiple reasons why it mattered. Frankly, it is impossible for me to understand the world you inhabit if you believe it might not matter. At the very least a person purporting to be an employee made ridiculous and wholly unsubstantiated claims about Pfizer. At the most a Pfizer executive admitted to even worse violations of trust than all but the most vaccine hesitant in the population had even imagined. If it were my employee who had said those words there would be swift and visible consequences. First, I would clearly state whether I employed him or not and exactly what his role was. Second, I would give him an opportunity to publicly explain himself. Third, he would almost certainly be fired, either for telling ridiculous lies about my company or for revealing what an incredibly unethical and criminal organization we ran. I realize I put you on ignore last night simply because that very first question indicates there may be no point in trying to reason with you, but I will give it a shot.

There are many people who engage in bullying, both on this site and elsewhere. In the thread we are discussing there were multiple people who demeaned Steak's intelligence and ability to communicate, apparently primarily because they didn't like what he had to say. My comment was more far-reaching than just this thread, though. It's nearly impossible to have meaningful conversations about anything when tactics like slurs of racism are the go-to response of those who support the opposing position. Even black people who support conservative positions are branded as racists.

Thanks for the hearty endorsement.

I disagree on your billionaire comment. I have several billionaire clients. I assure you that they are as different from one another as members of any other group you will ever meet. The tag "billionaire" has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person is good or bad. It may be true that the Kochs or the Waltons are as reprehensible as Soros, and I apologize for not listing a bad conservative alongside my bad liberal because I do understand why you would take offense at that. The reason I included the stuff about Soros, political persuasions aside, is that as much as I would love to have a Kumbaya relationship with the majority of people, I believe we must remain cognizant that there are people in this world who prey on the fact that most of the rest of us are constrained by morality and honesty. If you or anyone else has an argument that explains Soros behavior in a positive light I would be interested in seeing it, and I will do my very best to reconsider my assessment of him. Based on the info currently available to me he appears to be a vile predator.

 

[LogGrad98]

I'm not sure how you do the multiquote thing when responding so I'll just handle each of them in order below:

To do the multi-quote, you highlight with your mouse (or click and hold to get a cursor on a phone and drag to highlight) the passage you want to quote. A small fly-out menu will appear with "+ quote" on it. Click the +quote thing.

Thanks for the hearty endorsement.

Then highlight the next section you want to quote and do the same thing. Repeat until you have captured all the quotes you want.

Then go to the message box at the bottom of the screen and click the "attach quotes" button at the bottom of it. This will allow you to check the pieces you quotes and change their order or edit them a bit. Then it populates them in like these I did here with a single line space in between to type your message.

 

[LogGrad98]

There are many people who engage in bullying, both on this site and elsewhere. In the thread we are discussing there were multiple people who demeaned Steak's intelligence and ability to communicate, apparently primarily because they didn't like what he had to say.

Actually if you read through the threads of those conversations, this came out as frustration that he refused to acknowledge what was said, while demanding his every reply have a response or he would label everyone with vile insults, while he refused to respond to valid questions in kind. After enough of this, and his own devolution into insults and full-on ad hominem, it resulted in frustration and some, at first, legitimate questioning of if he was even understanding the conversation, then it might have crossed the line. Hence why I bowed out of the conversation, as it was going nowhere without a good faith back and forth.

 

[One Brow]

I'm not sure how you do the multiquote thing when responding so I'll just handle each of them in order below:

When using Chrome on a PC, I just hit the enter key, and it creates a gap between the quotes automatically.

At the most a Pfizer executive admitted to even worse violations of trust than all but the most vaccine hesitant in the population had even imagined.

As I made clear in my dialogue over 10 or so pages, I would expect a vaccine company to test the virus as well as the drug, try and see what mutations it might assume, evaluate vaccine efficacy against these mutations, etc. That is responsible, future-oriented, and keeps an eye to future profits. While I don't trust Pfizer more than any other large corporation, in this particular regard I consider that good corporate citizenship.

There were several hypotheticals in the video that were discussed, and the interviewee was so inebriated that he didn't always make it clear he was discussing a hypothetical (like talking about hypothetical impacts to the endocrine system), but it was clear enough that he was not discussing actual effects.

Aside from those two points, I don't recall anything that SteakandEggs thought was problematic. Could you be more specific about the violations of trust? Or, if you were referring to one of the two points above, could you explain why it's more ethical to ignore future problem than prepare for them, or to speculate on potential bad outcomes?

If it were my employee who had said those words there would be swift and visible consequences. First, I would clearly state whether I employed him or not and exactly what his role was. Second, I would give him an opportunity to publicly explain himself. Third, he would almost certainly be fired, either for telling ridiculous lies about my company or for revealing what an incredibly unethical and criminal organization we ran. I realize I put you on ignore last night simply because that very first question indicates there may be no point in trying to reason with you, but I will give it a shot.

I appreciate the opportunity.

My comment was more far-reaching than just this thread, though. It's nearly impossible to have meaningful conversations about anything when tactics like slurs of racism are the go-to response of those who support the opposing position.

Racism affects everyone, because we are all raised with it. As a human, I was influenced by my racist upbringing, and I struggle daily to be aware of its messages and sift them out from reality. Saying person A is feeding into the racism in society does not mean they are hateful, spiteful, or unusual in any way.

Even black people who support conservative positions are branded as racists.

All people are racist, including black people, but some people (including some black people) buy more into the racist thought-lines of our society than others. Sometimes, we call these people "self-hating". A similar phenomenon happens to gay people, trans people, women, etc.

I disagree on your billionaire comment. I have several billionaire clients. I assure you that they are as different from one another as members of any other group you will ever meet. The tag "billionaire" has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a person is good or bad. It may be true that the Kochs or the Waltons are as reprehensible as Soros, and I apologize for not listing a bad conservative alongside my bad liberal because I do understand why you would take offense at that.

To focus on a couple more liberals, Warren Buffet supports politicians that claim they want to raise his taxes, but never seem to. He claims to be giving away all his money on his death, but most of that will go to a foundation that supports his views, and that his family will control and get money out of. Patagonia founder Yvon Chouinard claims to be giving away his fortune to fight climate change, but again it's to charities that he controls. Do your billionaire clients act differently with their money?

Remember the Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25, if you want to refresh). Much will be expected to whom much has been given. Even as an atheist, I find much value in that message.

It used to be that family fortunes would dissipate over generations. Instead, the billionaires find ways to conserve wealth and power over generations, gathering more and more for themselves. As much as anything else, that's what's undermining our country.

The reason I included the stuff about Soros, political persuasions aside, is that as much as I would love to have a Kumbaya relationship with the majority of people, I believe we must remain cognizant that there are people in this world who prey on the fact that most of the rest of us are constrained by morality and honesty. If you or anyone else has an argument that explains Soros behavior in a positive light I would be interested in seeing it, and I will do my very best to reconsider my assessment of him. Based on the info currently available to me he appears to be a vile predator.

Has Soros killed anyone, to your knowledge? Do you have evidence he is a pedophile? A drug-lord? A wife abuser? His success seems to be based on a couple of successful prediction of financial bubbles and correctly managing his hedge fund. What has he actually done that earn him these names?

 

[LogGrad98]

When using Chrome on a PC, I just hit the enter key, and it creates a gap between the quotes automatically.

Yeah that is simpler than mine if you are taking the entire post apart for sure.

 

[One Brow]

Yeah that is simpler than mine if you are taking the entire post apart for sure.

Sometimes the goal is to take a post apart. Sometimes it's to focus on the building blocks as opposed to the structure.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

When using Chrome on a PC, I just hit the enter key, and it creates a gap between the quotes automatically.


As I made clear in my dialogue over 10 or so pages, I would expect a vaccine company to test the virus as well as the drug, try and see what mutations it might assume, evaluate vaccine efficacy against these mutations, etc. That is responsible, future-oriented, and keeps an eye to future profits. While I don't trust Pfizer more than any other large corporation, in this particular regard I consider that good corporate citizenship.

There were several hypotheticals in the video that were discussed, and the interviewee was so inebriated that he didn't always make it clear he was discussing a hypothetical (like talking about hypothetical impacts to the endocrine system), but it was clear enough that he was not discussing actual effects.

Aside from those two points, I don't recall anything that SteakandEggs thought was problematic. Could you be more specific about the violations of trust? Or, if you were referring to one of the two points above, could you explain why it's more ethical to ignore future problem than prepare for them, or to speculate on potential bad outcomes?


I appreciate the opportunity.


Racism affects everyone, because we are all raised with it. As a human, I was influenced by my racist upbringing, and I struggle daily to be aware of its messages and sift them out from reality. Saying person A is feeding into the racism in society does not mean they are hateful, spiteful, or unusual in any way.


All people are racist, including black people, but some people (including some black people) buy more into the racist thought-lines of our society than others. Sometimes, we call these people "self-hating". A similar phenomenon happens to gay people, trans people, women, etc.


To focus on a couple more liberals, Warren Buffet supports politicians that claim they want to raise his taxes, but never seem to. He claims to be giving away all his money on his death, but most of that will go to a foundation that supports his views, and that his family will control and get money out of. Patagonia founder Yvon Chouinard claims to be giving away his fortune to fight climate change, but again it's to charities that he controls. Do your billionaire clients act differently with their money?

Remember the Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25, if you want to refresh). Much will be expected to whom much has been given. Even as an atheist, I find much value in that message.

It used to be that family fortunes would dissipate over generations. Instead, the billionaires find ways to conserve wealth and power over generations, gathering more and more for themselves. As much as anything else, that's what's undermining our country.


Has Soros killed anyone, to your knowledge? Do you have evidence he is a pedophile? A drug-lord? A wife abuser? His success seems to be based on a couple of successful prediction of financial bubbles and correctly managing his hedge fund. What has he actually done that earn him these names?

Wow. We see the world so differently. We do not even agree on the problems, so it's no wonder that we are miles apart on the solutions. Sadly I do not have the amount of free time that you do to debate these issues, especially in a forum that has proven itself so unsatisfactory at bringing about worthwhile change. I do appreciate your willingness to be civil, though.

I'm flabbergasted that you can't perceive why that video is so concerning to so many people. I think you must just enjoy being obtuse. I also can't imagine why you are okay with how non-transparent Pfizer has been in their response to it, other than that you believe their agenda is in alignment with yours and therefore you are willing to give them a pass. People will continue to be vaccine hesitant until companies like Pfizer (and government organizations as well) show them the respect they deserve by being transparent. It is blatantly obvious that these people are lying to us. Tell us the truth, and then allow us to make our own decisions based upon that information. That didn't used to be a hard concept to understand. It was one of the bedrocks of this country, in fact.

Your comments about racism highlight a much bigger obstacle to our communication. We don't agree on the problem. While I agree with you that racism cannot be tolerated I have a feeling that the people who I see as the heros of these various minority communities are the same people you would describe as the self-haters.

I think you are largely incorrect about some sort of change in the diminishment of family fortunes. If anything, the opposite of what you are suggesting is the case. We live in a world where massive fortunes are being made in very short timeframes, not one where royalty is generally protected by nothing other than birthright for generation after generation. Of course billionaires try to set their families up the best they possibly can. I do that too. I assume that you do it as well. I recently read Michelle Obama's biography. Her parents certainly did it. That should surprise no one. All good parents do.

To my knowledge Soros has not pulled the trigger, or raped a child, or tripped anyone's grandma, but what he has done is invest millions upon millions in electing criminal friendly District Attorneys who ignore legislation and disrespect law enforcement by unleashing the worst of the worst upon the streets where they, predictably, commit more crime. Those people do pull triggers and rape children and trip grandmas. It is a crime against all of us for Soros to circumvent our justice system by putting politicians in place who refuse to enforce the law. Why does he do iI? He is either nefarious (and likely benefiting financially from his society damaging actions, especially given his penchant for selling short) or incredibly callous to the fact that the real consequences of his soft-on-crime policies are vastly different than the theoretical imaginations of those who originally suggested their implementation.

 

[SteakNEggs]

Actually if you read through the threads of those conversations, this came out as frustration that he refused to acknowledge what was said, while demanding his every reply have a response or he would label everyone with vile insults, while he refused to respond to valid questions in kind. After enough of this, and his own devolution into insults and full-on ad hominem, it resulted in frustration and some, at first, legitimate questioning of if he was even understanding the conversation, then it might have crossed the line. Hence why I bowed out of the conversation, as it was going nowhere without a good faith back and forth.

This is a flat out lie. I started fighting back after guys like you came in, added nothing but bullying, then like this you blame me. You literally added nothing but attacks. The rest of your post is a lie. I'd ask for examples of what I ignored but you won't be specific, you'll just lie again.

Be specific, what did I not answer? What post? What specifically did you add? What exactly was I not understanding?

I bet he won't answer these questions.

 

[SteakNEggs]

Yes, no one on the Internet ever faked a video or any supporting information for personal gain. Never happened. Not even once.

Here's you claimimg a video was fake... I asked for evidence and you and your hero Thriller got vile, not me. See unlike you, I can back my **** up. You won't because you're a liar.


Here's where YOU and Thriller start picking fights and insulting my intelligence not me... We were having a meaningful conversation until you showed up and added nothing. Page 32

Nailed it. @LogGrad98 is the one who’s got conspiracies.

Well done

Final tip: put away your phone/step away from your computer. Go outside. Maybe take a walk. Do some basic critical thinking. Either everyone else is wrong OR your source (that confirms your biases) that has a long history of lying, just got caught doing the same thing they’ve been doing for 15+ years now.

Why should they when they know it's garbage? Do you expect every organization to respond to every single whack job or fake attack hit on the Internet? Man you are naive. But you say WE gots conspiracies? Are you even reading what you are writing? You are defending the motherload of all virus conspiracies from a known bad actor, but when we ask for simple verifiable proof of simple existence, not even corroborating the actual story, just one thing that shows they guy is really a real person, you say WE "gots conspiracies". lol