John Stockton on the Dan Patrick Show

[Hotdog]

How'd this work out for Westbrook this post season? Stock played within the system. I can't find it, but at the time Phoenix coach Cotton Fitzsimmons said Stockton could be one of, it not the, highest scorers in the league if his focus wasn't on pass first. Which was his best asset.

Im glad you brought Westbrook up. He has been heralded for his statistical achievements. He has played in finals and hasnt won a championship. Sound like someone you know?

 

[NUMBERICA]

The finals years were well into Stockton decline. They had a decade of losing to lower seeded teams and squandered opportunities before then. The finals years were great, it still sucks they lost those as well but that is not what I referenced.

Might wanna read that again.

Additionally, how does Stockton not get credit for the finals teams?

Go ahead and resurrect this thread the next time someone averages 15 assists a game.

 

[Hotdog]

You realize Stockton made the playoffs every year he was in the league, that's twenty playoffs, he was bound to have some disappointments. Also the jazz didn't lose in the playoffs because of Stockton and Malone, they lost because the talent they had around them was mostly substandard. The other team generally had more talent for the big two to overcome. The success they had was because of those two.


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If Stockton was short on help with the exception of Kark Malone and could have easily averaged 25 ppg, then why didnt he do it to help his team advance in the playoffs? Whats the point of watching your team lose when you could just turn it up and score more?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Im glad you brought Westbrook up. He has been heralded for his statistical achievements. He has played in finals and hasnt won a championship. Sound like someone you know?

Go and make the comparison of John Stockton and Russell Westbrook to anyone that knows half of anything and catalog the reactions.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Many of the things Stockton did were unheard of in his day, and still haven't been accomplished today, and we aren't talking about Simmons type athletes. Stockton was a 6-1 180lb dude who was slow and not nearly as athletic as his contemporaries, and yet you have guts like Payton saying he was a nightmare to guard, and others saying he could've averaged 25pts. Stockton is the greatest pg to play the game. Before you say Magic was better, yes as a player, but Stockton was the better POINT GUARD.


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[NUMBERICA]

If Stockton was short on help with the exception of Kark Malone and could have easily averaged 25 ppg, then why didnt he do it to help his team advance in the playoffs? Whats the point of watching your team lose when you could just turn it up and score more?

Because that's not what he was told to do. He didn't call plays either. Just because he was 100% coachable doesn't mean he wasn't a great player. That's really quite a weird position to take.

I imagine something that's important for a (pure) point guard is being an extension of the coach on the floor, and the sets work best when everyone knows where they're supposed to be at all times, and it enables him to throw the pass INTO/AHEAD of the play, like a quarterback.

Stockton wasn't a crutch-leaner, he wasn't weak-willed, and he wasn't whatever garbage it is you're trying to hang around his neck for a reason I cannot understand. It's frankly offensive as a fan of basketball, saying nothing of being a Jazz fan.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Because that's not what he was told to do. He didn't call plays either. Just because he was 100% coachable doesn't mean he wasn't a great player. That's really quite a weird position to take.

I imagine something that's important for a (pure) point guard is being an extension of the coach on the floor, and the sets work best when everyone knows where they're supposed to be at all times, and it enables him to throw the pass INTO the play, like a quarterback.

Stockton wasn't a crutch-leaner, he wasn't weak-willed, and he wasn't whatever garbage it is you're trying to hang around his neck for a reason I cannot understand. It's frankly offensive as a fan of basketball, saying nothing of being a Jazz fan.

Stockton was selfless to a fault. Go back and YouTube the game six vs the Rockets. They couldn't stop him. The reason he never averaged more then 17pts was because he was so good at taking over a game without ever shooting, and he did that game after game, then once in a while he'd explode, and score 25-30 points, and it was always an efficient 25-30.


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[NUMBERICA]

If you have one guy that plays 90 games a year (winning 50 in a down year), executes sets better than anyone ever has or will, and practically doesn't turn the ball over, it negates the need to have a bevy of ballhandlers attacking the defense. It marginalizes errors and roster turnover.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I'm just not sure any of these idiots watched him play, not sure how u can watch him play, then say he wasn't all that. It blows my mind. What matters most is that there isn't one former player who ever played against him that said he wasn't great. Even Jordan in his HOF speech said they still had stuff to settle, even he acknowledged his greatness.


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[Thee Jazz Fan]

Kenny Smith once said he never considered Stockton a pass first pg, but that he took advantage of great opportunities.


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[Thee Jazz Fan]

I hope fans of other teams don't read this thread, it feels like a stain on this fan base what a complete joke that I have to defend the player Stockton WAS to some idiot supposed jazz fans.


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[Archie Moses]

I hope fans of other teams don't read this thread, it feels like a stain on this fan base what a complete joke that I have to defend the player Stockton WAS to some idiot supposed jazz fans.


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Dude, if you really worry about other fans reading this, you have problems too. Lol