Jon Stewart on white privilege (cc: unnamed posters... etc.)

[AlaskanAssassin]

My biggest problem with the concept of "White Privilege" is that it is actually insulting and degrading to Black people. Watch and learn.

 

[One Brow]

My biggest problem with the concept of "White Privilege" is that it is actually insulting and degrading to Black people. Watch and learn.

Assuming that every black person has the same opinion or experience in terms of white privilege is insulting to black people. Denying the existence of the measured effects regarding white privilege is denying reality. Even noted affirmative-action-hater Clarence Thomas talked about how the Senate was treating him differently because he was black.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

Assuming that every black person has the same opinion or experience in terms of white privilege is insulting to black people.

I never implied that. The only people I see suggesting that all black people have the same opinion are those pushing the false narrative of White Privilege. That is essentially what occurred in the clip he shared. A Black Woman assumed that a man was White just due to his accomplishments........and suggested that he benefited from White Privilege despite the fact that he's black!! Is it possible to be more insulting?

Denying the existence of the measured effects regarding white privilege is denying reality. Even noted affirmative-action-hater Clarence Thomas talked about how the Senate was treating him differently because he was black.

Calling it "White Privilege" is lazy thinking. It's more complicated than that. There are all kinds of privilege; wealth, intelligence, appearance, parents you are born to, ingenuity, creativity, athleticism..............on and on. Established law gives no privilege to White People.

If I'm denying reality, you are denying facts. Read the following article.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/02/white-privilege-myth-reality/

If you will read the article above, I'll commit to reading an article you post regarding the topic.

From the Article:

There are a host of privileges that dwarf “white privilege.”

A huge one is Two-Parent Privilege. If you are raised by a father and mother, you enter adulthood with more privileges than anyone else in American society, irrespective of race, ethnicity, or sex. That’s why the poverty rate among two-parent black families is only 7 percent.

Compare that with a 22 percent poverty rate among whites in single-parent homes. Obviously the two-parent home is the decisive “privilege.”

White privilege is another left-wing attempt, and a successful one, to keep America from focusing on what will truly help black America — a resurrection of the black family, for example — and instead to focus on an external problem: white privilege.

In doing so, the Left has become the only real enemy the black has in America today.

 

[One Brow]

I never implied that.

I agree. That was the assumption of the lady in the video.

The only people I see suggesting that all black people have the same opinion are those pushing the false narrative of White Privilege.

I agree the true narrative of white privilege is more than sufficient, we don't need any false narratives blended in.

That is essentially what occurred in the clip he shared. A Black Woman assumed that a man was White just due to his accomplishments

I was not aware the narrator was a mind-reader. I mean, I can think of several reasons why the woman thought the man was white, none of which had to do something as simple as "his accomplishments". I could run through a few of them, but we both know you don't really care,.

........and suggested that he benefited from White Privilege despite the fact that he's black!! Is it possible to be more insulting?

Yes. Denying that white privilege exists at all is much more insulting.

Calling it "White Privilege" is lazy thinking. It's more complicated than that. There are all kinds of privilege; wealth, intelligence, appearance, parents you are born to, ingenuity, creativity, athleticism..............on and on.

Of course there are all sorts of privilege. That doesn't stop white privilege from being one of them.

Established law gives no privilege to White People.

Established law gives no privilege to wealth, intelligence, appearance, etc., yet you have no problem acknowledging these privileges exist.

If I'm denying reality, you are denying facts. Read the following article.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/02/white-privilege-myth-reality/

First, no reasonable person can argue that white privilege applies to the great majority of whites, let alone to all whites. There are simply too many variables other than race that determine individual success in America.

First, no reasonable person can argue that height privilege applies to the great majority of NBA players, let alone to all NBA players. There are simply too many variables other than height that determine individual success in the NBA.

When an article starts with this much stupid, it's pretty hard to take seriously. Notice constructed an identical argument that height doesn't matter in basketball.

It only gets stupider from then on.

... is the decisive “privilege.”

Privilege are not a trump cards. No one privilege is decisive, they all interact.

In doing so, the Left has become the only real enemy the black has in America today.

If only black people would realize the their true friends are the people who blame black people for not being more successful.

 

[Stoked]

Perhaps many of the posters in here don't, but if kneeling during the national anthem is creating apoplexy, then I find it unlikely the apoplectic understand there is an ongoing problem.

Why? They’re not mutually exclusive.

One can still understand x and find y offensive.

 

[One Brow]

Why? They’re not mutually exclusive.

One can still understand x and find y offensive.

Apoplexy is a little stronger than taking mild offense. I agree with what you said, but that's why I wanted to emphasize those that had extreme reactions.

 

[Stoked]

Apoplexy is a little stronger than taking mild offense. I agree with what you said, but that's why I wanted to emphasize those that had extreme reactions.

Ah, ok. Fair enough. Offense and apoplexy are indeed different.

But it’s still possible in special situations, like a grieving parent of a dead marine. But extreme cases do not equal the norm.

Objection withdrawn.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

If only black people would realize the their true friends are the people who blame black people for not being more successful.

I understand that your SJW college professor instilled a strong sense of White guilt in you, but that doesn't mean you have to try and convince everyone you meet in life that White people are evil. The only blaming going on is the notion of White privilege, which blames White people for the relative lack of prosperity of certain racial or ethic groups (notice it's not all groups, as several racial groups are more prosperous than Whites, such as Asians).

My suggestion to any White person that wants to gain some perspective on White privilege is to speak to a Black friend about it. Have an honest and open conversation with them about it. I doubt most people have actually done this. I have had this conversation twice (both work friends). Their insight has molded my opinions on the topic.

 

[One Brow]

I understand that your SJW college professor instilled a strong sense of White guilt in you,

Don't play that game with me, youngster. My fourth child is going to college next year, and I did not start early.

I don't need to feel guilty in order to feel empathy, anger at injustice, or a desire to improve the world for other people. Honestly, I kind of feel sad for you that you think the only reason people try to make things better is a sense of guilt. What a cut-off, insular, parochial way to live.

Of course, perhaps you don't like being shallowly characterized by some random internet person. Sauce for the gander.

but that doesn't mean you have to try and convince everyone you meet in life that White people are evil.

I really have to wonder why you think I am saying white people are evil, and why you are so focused on guilt. Projection, perhaps?

Also, why did you capitalize "White" in that sentence, and in the previous sentence? When did "White" become a proper adjective, like "French"?

The only blaming going on is the notion of White privilege, which blames White people for the relative lack of prosperity of certain racial or ethic groups (notice it's not all groups, as several racial groups are more prosperous than Whites, such as Asians).

If you really want to emphasize that you are not a racist, perhaps you should stop using racist tropes like "model minority". Asians in the US are more prosperous because, overall, we have taken in more prosperous Asians. They still get negatively affected by racism once here.

My suggestion to any White person that wants to gain some perspective on White privilege is to speak to a Black friend about it. Have an honest and open conversation with them about it. I doubt most people have actually done this. I have had this conversation twice (both work friends). Their insight has molded my opinions on the topic.

No doubt that a white person who tells other black people that black people are responsible for the effects of racism, thinks the terms "white" and "black" are proper nouns, and doesn't make an effort to understand how racist social policy affects the percentage of two-parent homes is in a perfect position to interpret the comments of black work-mates.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

Don't play that game with me, youngster. My fourth child is going to college next year, and I did not start early.

Ah. Resorting to name calling. Clearly you have no actual arguments.

No doubt that a white person who tells other black people that black people are responsible for the effects of racism, thinks the terms "white" and "black" are proper nouns, and doesn't make an effort to understand how racist social policy affects the percentage of two-parent homes is in a perfect position to interpret the comments of black work-mates.

I will take this to mean that you've never actually had a conversation about this topic with a black person. I would suggest taking that bold leap before you try and solve problems faced by African-Americans. Try it! Expand your social circle outside of your white bubble.

Or you can just keep using straw man arguments, criticizing capitalization, and making assumptions about people online.

 

[One Brow]

Ah. Resorting to name calling. Clearly you have no actual arguments.

Wow, that's kind of sad. One post after you claim I'm some college kid, you refer to to saying someone is young as an insult, and say I have no argument. So, I simply must hear this. What's the appropriate way to respond to someone claiming you are a college kid who is only repeating what a professor told you? I'm all abuzz.

I will take this to mean that you've never actually had a conversation about this topic with a black person.

Will you? What an interesting assumption. You seem to know so much about the life of some guy whose picture you have in your head.

I would suggest taking that bold leap before you try and solve problems faced by African-Americans. Try it! Expand your social circle outside of your white bubble.

Me, solve the problems faced by black people all on my own, without their input? I had no idea I was so arrogant and powerful.

Or you can just keep using straw man arguments, criticizing capitalization, and making assumptions about people online.

You know, throwing around logical fallacies like "straw man" without understanding them is just going to lead to more embarrassment on your part. I was not criticizing your capitalization, but asking you to examine your reasons for thinking it was appropriate. As for assumptions, as I said, sauce for the gander.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

Wow, that's kind of sad. One post after you claim I'm some college kid, you refer to to saying someone is young as an insult, and say I have no argument.

You are inferring things that I never implied. When did I ever call you "Some college kid"? Plenty of adults (of all ages) have been instructed by far-left liberals that push their social ideas on students. It was a comment on that system, not on you personally.

Me, solve the problems faced by black people all on my own, without their input? I had no idea I was so arrogant and powerful.

Again, I would recommend having that conversation with someone you know. If you do and that person communicates to you the importance of white people accepting their inherent privilege, I would honestly be open hearing about their perspective.

As for assumptions, as I said, sauce for the gander.

Well, no one is going to confuse you with "some college kid" when you say things like that.

Clearly we see this topic extremely differently. I would like to give some insight into my perspective. I have a semi-close work friend that communicated to me that, as a black man, hates the term "white privilege." He actually asked me to not use the term. He feels that the term diminishes black people's accomplishments and takes away personal responsibility from those that don't succeed (however that is measured). He did open my eyes about some real problems in our country that disproportionately affect black Americans (you have me questioning what to capitalize and what not to capitalize now......I have no idea). He definitely changed my mind on several topics, such as over-incarceration, the war on drugs, among other things. He didn't feel that these issues warranted promulgating white privilege, as every race, sex, religion, age, etc. will experience different types of privilege.

I wish I could recall everything we talked about, but he expressed to me that he felt the notion of white privilege does a lot more harm than good to black people.

After having the conversation with him, how could I in good conscious, try to promulgate the idea of white privilege?

I recognize that this is anecdotal. It most certainly does not reflect the thoughts of all black people.