What's new
By:

[Jones]BREAKING: Jazz willing to engage Celtics in S&T talks: But Gordon Hayward must agree

  • Thread starter Thread starter Deleted member 95
  • Start date Start date
I think a future first will probably be enough to get Crowder. Most teams with cap space are bad and will want to keep their future picks. Jazz are one of the few who can part with one. We aren't tanking. I expect a top 10 protected pick going out for Crowder would be enough.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Do you not realize they can do trades elsewhere?

Sent from my A0001 using JazzFanz mobile app
Click to expand...

I get it... They can trade them to another team, but they aren't trading Smart and Crowder for another star player like DJ. Literally the only thing they can take back in a trade is a draft pick. It isn't unreasonable to think that Boston needs to give up additional assets for a team to take on the salary of one of these guys.
 
Man, I expected to wake up today to find out this S&T was a done deal. Oh well.
 
I'm not a cap expert, but if a team needs to be under the salary cap to make a trade with boston and provide any relief, I only see 6 or 7 teams that can provide it. I'm sure there are reasons it may not work for some which would reduce this list further. For example Brooklyn is one of the teams and I can't imagine they would have assets to give to boston. http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

Someone with some more know how might want to chime in.
 
Mongoose said:
I'm not a cap expert, but if a team needs to be under the salary cap to make a trade with boston and provide any relief, I only see 6 teams that can provide it. I'm sure there are reasons it may not work for some which would reduce this list further. For example Brooklyn is one of the teams and I can't imagine they would have assets to give to boston. http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

Someone with some more know how might want to chime in.
Click to expand...

Not to mention there is no incentive for the teams with the cap space to offer Boston s*** for Crowder, Smart or Bradley because they know that Boston has to shed salary. Lowball city.
 
If I can summarize the situation I would do it like this:

1. Boston is not going to gift us Crowder or Bradley or Smart. As long as there is market for them, they would get the best offer that's on the market.

2. There is a small advantage the Jazz provide to the Celtics as a potential suitor for Crowder/Bradley/Smart - they get to keep their full mid-level exception(if I'm not mistaken, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please). This is a very small +, but if what we offer is close to what others offer Boston might be willing to do it.

3. If Boston wants to keep all of Bradley/Smart/Crowder, the Jazz are the only team that can enable that through sign and trade of Rozier+other stuff. The question is how much value is it worth it for Boston to keep them as opposed to getting an asset for one of them? Can we get 1 first? Or 2? Maybe a first and a second? I don't know, this is where DL has to earn his money and correctly gauge what the trio is worth to Boston. A possible trade would be Rozier+Jackson+BOS2018 first(or LAC 2019 first)?
 
I don't have a problem trading a first for a guy who has three years left on his contract and should be getting paid 15M per season if he were a free agent now.
 
SCS said:
Not to mention there is no incentive for the teams with the cap space to offer Boston s*** for Crowder, Smart or Bradley because they know that Boston has to shed salary. Lowball city.
Click to expand...
This is the biggest point. Boston has little leverage. Plain and simple - if they make this deal, they get Hayward. They probably can keep some of those small contract guys they would have to waive if they trade Crowder over Smart since he makes a couple million more.

Just do it Hayward and Ainge. We will throw you a 2nd rounder or two.

Sent from my VS995 using JazzFanz mobile app
 
mellow said:
Nothing gets done without Jazz paying more. Danny and Bartlestein already stole the biggest chip.

Jazz have no leverage, Boston has neither need nor urgency.

Haywood and Bartlestein's willingness doesn't change the equation.

It is the Jazz who have an urgent need and that puts Danny in the power position.
Click to expand...

I agree with most of what you are saying but there is urgency... they have to resolve this prior to signing Hayward. They are already going to get 75 cents on the dollar for whatever they trade... Hayward can help us here by saying do me a solid. Ainge risks damaging the relationship with Hayward but likely doesn't risk losing Hayward. It is worth something to them. We could send them a couple second round picks which is less than they'd get for Ctowder but it is a limited market and averyone knows that for once they have this ******* in a bad position. I don't expect anyone to do him a favor. I'm guessing DL has much more social capital built up.
 
Mongoose said:
I'm not a cap expert, but if a team needs to be under the salary cap to make a trade with boston and provide any relief, I only see 6 or 7 teams that can provide it. I'm sure there are reasons it may not work for some which would reduce this list further. For example Brooklyn is one of the teams and I can't imagine they would have assets to give to boston. http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

Someone with some more know how might want to chime in.
Click to expand...

I don't think that Chi, Ind, or Bkn are likely to step in and give Boston any assets or help them construct their roster
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top