What's new
By:

[Jones]BREAKING: Jazz willing to engage Celtics in S&T talks: But Gordon Hayward must agree

  • Thread starter Thread starter Deleted member 95
  • Start date Start date
LoPo said:
This is the biggest point. Boston has little leverage. Plain and simple - if they make this deal, they get Hayward. They probably can keep some of those small contract guys they would have to waive if they trade Crowder over Smart since he makes a couple million more.

Just do it Hayward and Ainge. We will throw you a 2nd rounder or two.

Sent from my VS995 using JazzFanz mobile app
Click to expand...

The interesting thing about this dance is neither side has leverage but both have urgency.

We should at very least do a sign and trade for Hayward because of the cap asset, but stictches indicated above that they have motivation to do one too to operate above the cap. Not sure they really can though... this is a weave of cap complexity and I am at capology level 101.
 
NAOS said:
I don't think that Chi, Ind, or Bkn are likely to step in and give Boston any assets or help them construct their roster
Click to expand...

Exactly. The teams with cap space won't give a first because the first is too valuable. The teams who would love crowder would have to give back salary.

I think they may move smart instead but it will be awkward as hell between crowder and Hayward.
 
stitches said:
If I can summarize the situation I would do it like this:

1. Boston is not going to gift us Crowder or Bradley or Smart. As long as there is market for them, they would get the best offer that's on the market.

2. There is a small advantage the Jazz provide to the Celtics as a potential suitor for Crowder/Bradley/Smart - they get to keep their full mid-level exception(if I'm not mistaken, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please). This is a very small +, but if what we offer is close to what others offer Boston might be willing to do it.

3. If Boston wants to keep all of Bradley/Smart/Crowder, the Jazz are the only team that can enable that through sign and trade of Rozier+other stuff. The question is how much value is it worth it for Boston to keep them as opposed to getting an asset for one of them? Can we get 1 first? Or 2? Maybe a first and a second? I don't know, this is where DL has to earn his money and correctly gauge what the trio is worth to Boston. A possible trade would be Rozier+Jackson+BOS2018 first(or LAC 2019 first)?
Click to expand...

I tend to think #3 will happen. We get Rozier, Jackson, a trade exception and possibly a pick. Boston holds on to Crowder/Smart/Bradley because no team is going to give anything of value for them right now knowing Boston's need to shed salary.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Exactly. The teams with cap space won't give a first because the first is too valuable. The teams who would love crowder would have to give back salary.

I think they may move smart instead but it will be awkward as hell between crowder and Hayward.
Click to expand...

I'm opting for a 'conspiracy theory' approach on this. I think Crowder probably wants out. But this situation has gotten sufficiently sticky for everyone, and finding the right terms of a détente for all parties is difficult.

I'm sure DL is putting the breaks on anything involving Bradley, Smart, and 1st round picks... otherwise I think this deal would be done. I also think he (and others) want to see Danny buckle.
 
No, they can't. Not enough space without letting guys go.

Edit... Oops I guess I didn't quote the person to whom I was responding. Oh, well.
 
Do a pick swap for Crowder, top 5 protected for next year. Danny feels like he wins.

Jazz take trade exception, get Love. Have a frontline of Gobert, Love, and Favors with two of them on the court at all times. Swing section of Crowder, Hood, Jingles, Burks, Exum, and Mitchell, with a pg rotation of Rubio/Exum.

We now have a better record than Boston. They can go screw.
 
framer said:
Do a pick swap for Crowder, top 5 protected for next year. Danny feels like he wins.

Jazz take trade exception, get Love. Have a frontline of Gobert, Love, and Favors with two of them on the court at all times. Swing section of Crowder, Hood, Jingles, Burks, Exum, and Mitchell, with a pg rotation of Rubio/Exum.

We now have a better record than Boston. They can go screw.
Click to expand...

Pick swap with their Lakers pick, if ours is higher, top 5 protected.
 
tonstermits said:
He is worked up because Locke and Checkettes questioned his reporting on Hayward.
Click to expand...

His reporting was most probably trash anyways. He's piggy backing on Hayward leaving to boast about a fake report that seems slightly more plausible but still incredibly unlikely even now.

If it was correct, DL deserves to be fired yesterday.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top