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Kanter and Burke have got to go

Gordo shot .409 on drives, and the team scored 6.1 points on his 5.4 drives per game. Trey shot .372 on drives, and the team scored 5.2 points on his 4.8 drives per game. Gordo had an eFG% of .420 on pull ups; Trey had an eFG% of .377 on pull ups. On the other hand, on catch and shoots Gordo had an eFG% of .445 while Trey had an eFG% of .515.

Given the above stats, I really don't think your statement is accurate at all.

There's more to ball handling than shooting. Hayward apg 5.2 tpg 2.8 and Burke 5.7 apg 1.9 tpg. Gordon almost averaged one less assist per game and one more turnover per game. This is also comparing a rookie to a 4th year vet. Just based on that you expected Burke to get better while Gordon could but usually after 4 season what you have in player is just that.
 
There's more to ball handling than shooting.
Yes, and? Those drive statistics take turnovers into consideration. That is, the Jazz score more as a team when Hayward drives than when Burke drives. Gordo is also more effective when pulling up.

At the same time, Gordo was ineffective spotting up this year. Burke, while mediocre, was better than Hayward.

In other words, your assertions that Burke is better on-ball and Hayward is better off-ball are not supported by the available data. Further, based on usage and possession data, and my own randomly sampled viewing of games, Burke was still given ample opportunity to initiate the offense. You're simply seeing what you want to see.

This is also comparing a rookie to a 4th year vet. Just based on that you expected Burke to get better while Gordon could but usually after 4 season what you have in player is just that.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

Burke may prove to be a better facilitator and on-ball option in the future. Gordo did a better job this season. I see no reason to complain about a coach easing a player into a prominent role. If Burke had been killing it on-ball, and Corbin were diminishing his role, perhaps there would be reason to complain. That simply wasn't what happened.
 
Kanter for Ryan Anderson and 2016 Unprotected?

Anderson gets around 8 million a year and produces points and spacing. Draft Gordon to play SF to make up for his rebounding and defensive deficiencies. Allows Favors to focus on being a rim protector/finisher.

No way New Orleans does that.
 
Yes, and? Those drive statistics take turnovers into consideration. That is, the Jazz score more as a team when Hayward drives than when Burke drives. Gordo is also more effective when pulling up.

At the same time, Gordo was ineffective spotting up this year. Burke, while mediocre, was better than Hayward.

In other words, your assertions that Burke is better on-ball and Hayward is better off-ball are not supported by the available data. Further, based on usage and possession data, and my own randomly sampled viewing of games, Burke was still given ample opportunity to initiate the offense. You're simply seeing what you want to see.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

Burke may prove to be a better facilitator and on-ball option in the future. Gordo did a better job this season. I see no reason to complain about a coach easing a player into a prominent role. If Burke had been killing it on-ball, and Corbin were diminishing his role, perhaps there would be reason to complain. That simply wasn't what happened.

So you take one down year from Gordon and say he's not a better spot up shooter and slasher? Especially a year when he has taken on more responsibility as a play maker?

Also you are using drives as your barometer for good ball handler. You just pulled that out of no where. Trey averaged more assist and less turnovers per game. While playing less mins per game. That is a fact. Not me seeing what I want to see. This is you finding some stat that means little to nothing to prove your case.
 
This is you finding some stat that means little to nothing to prove your case.
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's not meaningful.

You're engaging on very few of my arguments, and offering very little beyond simple context-free boxscore stats. If you're not going to approach this discussion in good faith, I won't continue.

****ing fanboys...
 
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's not meaningful.

You're engaging on very few of my arguments, and offering very little beyond simple context-free boxscore stats. If you're not going to approach this discussion in good faith, I won't continue.

****ing fanboys...

So your stat covering pull ups off the dribble and drives means that Hayward was the better ball handler, but my stats that shows Burke had more APG and less TPG with a lesser(although slightly) usage rate is to be completety ignored. And I'm the fan boy got'ca.
 
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