Kanter and Nike Hoop Summit History

[BENTLEY]

That "ONE data point" is the centerpiece of entire evaluation. The only time Kanter played against somewhat decent competition. If you put this "ONE data point" in perspective, as I just did, you are left with nothing to project the guy top 3.

In this year's draft there MIGHT be safer options but I don't think they are better options. Kanter's size, fat%, etc. all speak well of him. His performance in the NHS is actually a strong argument in favor of drafting Kanter, and saying that this should be a deterrent to drafting him is actually quite insane.

The strongest deterrent to drafting Kanter I've found is Kosta Kofous' U18 stats. This, not the NHS, is what gives me pause.

That does not mean he is bust, but it does make him a HUGE risk at top 3,

He isn't a HUGE risk. He's a risk though, we agree on that. But who would you choose at 3? Knight? Not a premium position.
Where does Kanter fall on your draft board? Remember, this year is weak so maybe he's typically someone that would go say 8th or 9th but the Jazz have to take the 3rd best prospect THIS YEAR, and that might be Kanter.

To totally disregard his NHS performance would be folly. To use it as a reason to pass on him is just not smart.

 

[BENTLEY]

Where would DeMarcus Cousins be on everyone's draft board this year? Many of us were pining for Cousins last year but according to PKM, Kanter is the superior player. Didn't Josh Harrelson claim this too?

 

[somebody]

Where would DeMarcus Cousins be on everyone's draft board this year? Many of us were pining for Cousins last year but according to PKM, Kanter is the superior player. Didn't Josh Harrelson claim this too?

Just my guess, but if Cousins were in this draft he'd probably go 3 or 4. It would be us deciding between him and Kanter. I would have guessed Minnesota picking Cousins at 2 but they passed him up in last years draft at pick #4 for Wesley Johnson.

The Jazz, under Jerry Sloan, were always big on players being fit. It would be tough for them to pick between the larger Cousins with the bigger track record but with 16.4 % body fat, and the slightly smaller, more mysterious, but much more fit Kanter at 5.9 (?) % body fat. It would probably come down to workouts, but that aside we'd probably pick Cousins. Just a guess.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Just to be clear, I didn't say I thought Kanter was better. I said Kanter out played Cousins head-to-head, in a pick-up game. I do feel they're pretty equal in talent with Kanter having FAAAAR better work ethic and teammate qualities. Josh, on the other hand, did in fact say Kanter was the best he's played against, by far.

I'd say if Cousins was in this draft, he'd be taken between 1 and 4. There were character concerns last year .. if that carried over to this year, he drops to 3 or 4. If he disproved the myth before draft day .. he'd likley go #1.

 

[BENTLEY]

Seriously, Irving, Williams, Kanter.
Who else at 3?

Some opt for Knight before Kanter. I disagree but even so, is there anyone else you'd take before Kanter?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

After reading the last three pages of this has me mor convinced Kanter is the best option.

 

[Dr. Jones]

After reading the last three pages of this has me mor convinced Kanter is the best option.

Did you NOT understand Borat's posts? Does he need to explain it AGAIN??!?!?

It's okay, Borat, they can't all be winners ..

 

[Borat]

Apparently, by your logic, a player can score 1,532 points and dunk from half-court in a Nike Hoop Summit (NHS) game and it will mean "absolutely nothing" when it comes to the NBA.

You have to clearly establish, in an objective, non-biased way, why a 1,532 point NHS game would mean something in the NBA and why a 34 point 13 rebound game would not—unless, that is, you really do think a 1,532 point NHS game would mean nothing in the NBA. I assume you do not.

Enough with delusional fantasies. This was just 1 game, and doing well there does not at all translate to even making NBA roster. Should we dismiss it completely? No, it's something interesting to consider, but, looking at the facts, it does have very little value when it comes to NBA projection. Just like some international junior MVP or a pick-up game that PKM saw. All that info combined is just not worth that much, don't you get it? The risk here is enormous and does not justify giving up such huge asset as #3 pick. Not when you have someone like Knight, Irving, or Williams as the alternative, who also have sky high potential and a serious resume in their portfolio.

 

[Borat]

Did you NOT understand Borat's posts? Does he need to explain it AGAIN??!?!?

It's okay, Borat, they can't all be winners ..

True that... It must be the pick-up game you mentioned. No one else has that jewel of an accomplishment on their resume.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Definitely needs more pub.

 

[BENTLEY]

The risk here is enormous and does not justify giving up such huge asset as #3 pick. Not when you have someone like Knight, Irving, or Williams as the alternative, who also have sky high potential and a serious resume in their portfolio.

So in essence you're saying Irving, Williams, Knight > Kanter.
Plenty on here agree with you, without having to claim the NHS means nothing.

 

[Borat]

So in essence you're saying Irving, Williams, Knight > Kanter.
Plenty on here agree with you, without having to claim the NHS means nothing.

Yeah, but now that we saw the facts about the best thing on Kanter's resume, the NHS game, not translating to NBA success at all, I am just surprised so many people are willing to gamble such an asset as #3 pick away on a hunch, and are "convinced" the guy with no resume is the best choice over people who have high ceiling AND great resume to boot.