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Kanter traded to OKC

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GVC said:
That jump won't occur until 2016, so the Jazz have an opportunity to add pieces this summer with the extra space from dumping Novak (not all that significant). If DL strikes out again this summer, he'll have done a pretty **** job overall through his first 3 seasons. Dude took over a playoff team with a couple fringe all-stars and 4 decent, high upside lottery picks. He's now effectively turned 3 of those pieces into a 2018 mid- to late-1st round pick, acquired no impact players through non-draft trades or free agency, and has a mixed/incomplete record in the draft (I'm not as high on Exum OR Gobert as most on the board). What am I missing?
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That he spent $12 million per year on a guy who could have been replaced for $6mm, with two years of team options.


Those saying he struck out on Burke are blowing low though.
 
The last few years for the Jazz have been an interesting study in player value. When you're not winning there's only so much value that can go around. Paul and Al had very little value because they were expiring, we had younger players hiding behind them, and we were losing. Now (or in Al's case last year) people love them.

I think the front office has learned the hard lesson of what happens when you don't commit to your potentially valuable players. This move had to happen whether Kanter went to the press or not. Gobert needs to start if the league is going to start seeing him as a star.

We still have four players with real value on this team. Enes gone can only help them increase their value with more usage. Four's a lot for a losing team. Beyond that we have cap space and all our picks as well as a couple from other teams.

Now if only we could start winning...
 
Bad trade, IMO. We got nothing useful. Who cares about a 2nd rounder? And the OKC pick is highly-protected. The ONLY way this is a good deal is if someone wants that first in exchange for us moving up, which is doubtful. I guess a small victory was dumping Novak's corpse. That was a stupid move originally by DL. You commit to a $4M 2yr deal when you KNOW you'll be up against the cap next season? For only a 2nd-rounder? Stupid.

Once I learned what & where the picks where, my opinion really changed. But Utah did have to get rid of Enes. If it were me, I would have parked his sorry *** on the bench the rest of the season and taught him and Ergul a lesson. This was a dump, pure and simple. And I think Kanter blowing a kiss to the media last night sent the jazz into a panic. He was going to be a cancer the rest of the season and the Jazz got no value out of him.
 
At least we aren't phoenix... they have no damned direction.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Grant Jerrett could be a part of our future. Looks like the ideal stretch 4 to play alongside Favors or Gobert. From clips it looks like the dude can shoot.
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Yep. That's why he's 1-13 for the season in 5 games. He makes Trey Burke look like Kyle Korver.

I guess on a positive note, Detroit should now finish with more victories than Utah. More ping pong balls (well, number combinations, but that sounds less exciting)!
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Well, it was used cap space already for the Jazz. This past offseason didn't have marquee free agents to get, so the Jazz used cap space that was already allotted to Novak to get an asset, as the Jazz were below the floor. Garrett was a replacement player, so there was no value there, thus no bearing on the quality of the deal.
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1. The floor is irrelevant.

2. Novak is still on the books next season.

There was no need to get to the floor, and no need for Novak. Why let him eat up nearly $4mm in 2015 cap space for a 2nd? It was a bad trade (FWIW, I thought so at the time).

Darkwing Duck said:
Jazz get the cap space at the beginning of the FA period rather than after the mythical renouncing. This is an important distinction especially if the Jazz ink an offer sheet to an RFA. Jazz would have to renounce Kanter to sign that deal, and if there's a match, then Jazz are out two players. Jazz got some assets out of this trade. A future first is a better trade chip, especially since it's after Durant's contract ends, than a sign and traded Kanter, and gives Jazz more flexibility.

The assets aren't that great in my opinion, but the historical price for trading into the top 5 should the Jazz not occupy a pick there is 3 first rounders, and the Jazz now have that affordability without being left without a pick in a year.

I doubt the Jazz will have to make a decision on having EITHER the Euro players OR an NBA free agent next year. Looks like the Jazz will go into the summer with around 45 M in salaries with 4 M in cap holds rather than 48 M with 16 M in cap holds, a 15 M difference. Caps going to be, what, 70 M next year? Plenty of space now rather than having to make a decision on Kanter first.
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Valid point on RFAs and offer sheets. Still, if the Jazz don't get an offer sheet signed, they could always keep Kanter. Also, since this Kanter mess has reportedly been brewing for a while, it makes sense to wonder what the Jazz could have acquired for Kanter earlier in the season or this past offseason. DL has a pretty consistent record of waiting to do anything until his hand is forced. Not a great sign.

Also, your numbers seem a bit off. I did a quick breakdown of the Jazz cap situation earlier in the thread.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Bad trade, IMO. We got nothing useful. Who cares about a 2nd rounder? And the OKC pick is highly-protected. The ONLY way this is a good deal is if someone wants that first in exchange for us moving up, which is doubtful. I guess a small victory was dumping Novak's corpse. That was a stupid move originally by DL. You commit to a $4M 2yr deal when you KNOW you'll be up against the cap next season? For only a 2nd-rounder? Stupid.

Once I learned what & where the picks where, my opinion really changed. But Utah did have to get rid of Enes. If it were me, I would have parked his sorry *** on the bench the rest of the season and taught him and Ergul a lesson. This was a dump, pure and simple. And I think Kanter blowing a kiss to the media last night sent the jazz into a panic. He was going to be a cancer the rest of the season and the Jazz got no value out of him.
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what is the protection on it?
 
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