Chris-L
Well-Known Member
and here i thought i was only gonna give negs in this thread.
Karl Malone's take on all of this......?
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and here i thought i was only gonna give negs in this thread.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Whatever the excuse, he was wrong in leading a woman on for 8 years. Lance Bass said that he simply abstained from being in a relationship with anyone to protect his career. Jason could have/SHOULD HAVE broken up with his "girlfriend" after a few years. Go solo for a while, get another GF or a string of ladies; there's no shortage of women who want to be around NBA players. Or do what many actors and singers have done when they felt they had to hide their homosexuality in order to preserve their careers: get a GF for "window drssing" who knows what the situation is, one who will protect your secret, allow you to live your lifestyle, but be by your side at public functions. Outrageous, you say? I could give you a few examples of men who have specifically done that. What Jason did was DISHONEST. He's not the victim; Carolyn Moos is!
""Carolyn Moos, Jason Collins’ longtime girlfriend, said Tuesday that she never suspected the man she spent the better part of a decade with was gay — even when he called off their engagement in 2009.
“It’s not easy to understand. I had dreams of having children and having a husband, and I still have those dreams,” Moos told the Daily News, breaking her silence about Collins, the first active, openly gay athlete in American team sports to come out of the closet.
“Anger was a definite emotion that I had to work through,” she said, reflecting on how their relationship ended. “I think it would only be human to be angry about diminished dreams. Otherwise, I would think that you’re robotic.”"
Sorry, but Carolyn's chances of finding a husband, of having children are greatly diminished. Getting pregnant gets infinitely more difficult as women approach 40, and significantly more dangerous. Were she to meet someone right now, perhaps she has 1 or 2 children...if she manages to get pregnant. Or maybe she goes the IVF route if she has problems with fertility. In any case, Collins should be criticized for his actions and dishonesty with Ms. Moos.
or someone else
DutchJazzer
Banned
what is wrong.
there will always be people killing themself
ALWAYS, why is it my fault.
if someone is "addicted" to alcohol it is a disease.
if someone cant control his sexual promiscuity it is a disease.
always blaming someone else except the person responsible.
gun control lets blame the guns
alcohol, i cant help it i'm an addict.
adultery, sorry i am a sexaddict it's a disease.
grow a pair and take responsiblity for your actions.
am i holding a gun to people heads en force them to commit suicide.
no they are QUITTERS, they quit on live and give up. simple as that.
you call it depression they have a disease.
or they got bullied or whatever.
Bullying a gay and very emotional teenager to the point where they commit suicide is the fault of whoever is leading the charge. They are not quitting and that is a terrible way to put it and think of it.
I could go on but there is no point arguing with person who makes statements like you do that are so definitive. Everything revolves around you and what your beliefs are, never looking at the other points of view. Hopefully you never have to deal with people close to you committing suicide and you can go on believing what you want and being rude and insensitive.
DutchJazzer
Banned
You can fight back.
dont think i did not get bullied.
i have very pointy ears, with very small attached earlobes(almost no ear, could not get a piercing if i wanted to). i heard all jokes about it. got bullied for it. since the first time in a schoolbus at age 4
for weeks. every single day i did not let it bother me. there where some pretty hurtfull stuff.
did i quit no, instead of hanging on to his words i enjoyed live every single moment of it. cus i was healthy had people who loved me.
until one day he took it a step to far and pulled my ears. i kicked his *** all over the bus. back in those days kicking someones *** was not frowned upon like now a days.
well that was the last time all through kindergarten.
fighting back is the thing to do, show them if they cross the line there are consequences, simple as that.
sadly/regrettably even though i had bullying experience i was also on the other end of it.
i dont see why you have to go blame someone else for suicide except the perpetrator of sad suicide.
it's like telling me it aint the rapist fault he raped cus he was abused as a child.
so please explain what is wrong with my original post
EDIT: dont ever forgot evolution: survival of the FITTEST.
so yeah commit suicide you are a quitter and week, it don't matter what your reason is
carolinajazz
Well-Known Member
Suicide is a sad fact of life. That being said, there are definitely absolute truths as well as cause and effects. Sometimes the cause and effects are the result of absolute truths. All of us reap what we sow. That's an absolute truth. Some conditions are caused by birth defects and that is sad. But as dutch pointed out much of what we reap is the result of bad or poor decisions made in life by us or even our parents. We just feel the need for people to own up to that fact and the consequences it brings.
carolinajazz
Well-Known Member
....thank goodness for that!
DutchJazzer
Banned
also i am kinda sick that they are making this big of a deal of the collins crap.
why should his sexuality be flaunted in his face.
do i flaunt my deviant sexual preferences in your face?
why should his sexuality be flaunted in his face.
do i flaunt my deviant sexual preferences in your face?
Nice story, good for you, you clearly were not in the same situation as people who committed suicide nor the same state of mind nor the same support around you.
DutchJazzer
Banned
sp yput saying everyone is a quitter and gets to commit suicide.
the only reason i and other people dont get to commit suicide is cus we where not in their situation.
what a hogwash baloney crap reasoning.
why are the guys who do the deed not responsible.
ooh wait we live in a age where responsibility is not on the perpetrator anymore.
fortunately for those of us who don't share the views of Dutch and CJ, most of our society is not as dogmatic as they are and is able to take a more nuanced look at these issues