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Karl Malone's take on all of this......?

As for your claim of Jason not being bisexual, let me use the dictionary definition. Jason was definitely bisexual for 8 years as he was sexually responsive to a female, He has now chosen to become sexually exclusive with men. You cannot dodge that fact. :bi•sex•u•al (baɪˈsɛk ʃu əl)

adj. 1. of both sexes.
2. combining male and female organs in one individual.
3. sexually responsive to both sexes.
n. 4. an animal or plant that has the reproductive organs of both sexes.
5. a person sexually responsive to both sexes.
 
And BTW, I would be equally critical of a heterosexual man who had been stringing along a woman for 8 years to preserve his career, only to then tell her he really had no intention of ever marrying her or starting a family, that it was all a façade and he was never really attracted to her in the first place.
 
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Besides, the LGBT community can still be proud of Collins. I'm just saying he can't claim to be the first openly gay, active NBA player. He still put the the "B" in LGBT until a couple of days before his announcement. He isn't really active as his team is not in the playoffs and he's a FA. So let's call Jason the first formerly bisexual, now gay free agent in the history of the NBA. It's really a win-win for Mr. Collins. By coming out, the NBA is under some pressure to find him a job next season. Perhaps Stern awards the #1 pick to any team which promises to give Jason a contract. At best, Collins was hoping for a vet minimum deal. At worst, he doesn't play, but uses the time to write his memoirs, "Machismo in the NBA and Why I Was Blackballed by Bigoted Old White Men." Book sales and speaking engagements will far exceed the paltry sum he would have made warming the bench.
 
MoTown16 said:
Whatever the excuse, he was wrong in leading a woman on for 8 years.
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If Jason Collins acknowledged to himself that he was gay before/during the relationship, then he was wrong to lead this woman on and you are correct. If he was unaware that he was gay, then he was not wrong and you are being a judgmental jerk.
 
MoTown16 said:
There are many Christian sects which accept homosexuality, so I don't buy the "pressure" excuse.
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They are much rarer in the black community, which is far less accepting of homosexuality in general compared to the white community.
 
One Brow said:
If Jason Collins acknowledged to himself that he was gay before/during the relationship, then he was wrong to lead this woman on and you are correct. If he was unaware that he was gay, then he was not wrong and you are being a judgmental jerk.
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How can one be unaware of being gay? Aren't gay people born that way? He would have known from puberty that he was sexually attracted to men. Seems like his supporters want to argue both sides of the fence. He's either 1) bi-sexual and chose to become exclusive with men, 2) he became gay (which isn't possible because it's genetic, not environmental or chosen); or 3) he was always gay and chose to hide it from Carolyn and others in order to preserve his career/big paycheck. And yes, I am being a judgmental jerk because so many are calling Jason a HERO, telling him proud he should be. No one is mentioning the GF that was lied to for 8 years.
 
MoTown16 said:
You highlighted Carolyn Moos' statement about wanting a husband and starting a family. And then said you were vomiting. So please explain to me why Carolyn's statement was offensive to you.
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dogg, you highlighted that.
MoTown16 said:
There are many Christian sects which accept homosexuality, so I don't buy the "pressure" excuse.
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well that's nice for you. please continue being ignorant if you so choose.
MoTown16 said:
Here are just a few of the Christian faiths which accept openly homosexual members: Evangelical Lutheran Church, Presbyterian Church and the Metropolitan Community Church. Collins did not have to hide his homosexuality to remain a Christian; he could have joined any one of those sects or a number of others that do not denounce homosexuality.
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you're right. or maybe he hadn't accepted something he was taught was sinful and so he didn't identify himself as a homosexual. maybe he truly believed there was something wrong with him and he wanted to change. in that case he was only deceiving himself. outrageous!
 
MoTown16 said:
As for your claim of Jason not being bisexual, let me use the dictionary definition. Jason was definitely bisexual for 8 years as he was sexually responsive to a female, He has now chosen to become sexually exclusive with men. You cannot dodge that fact. :bi•sex•u•al (baɪˈsɛk ʃu əl)

adj. 1. of both sexes.
2. combining male and female organs in one individual.
3. sexually responsive to both sexes.
n. 4. an animal or plant that has the reproductive organs of both sexes.
5. a person sexually responsive to both sexes.
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By your definition, every single human with functioning reproductive organs is bisexual. Every. Single. One. Response to sexual stimuli are controlled by the autonomic nervous system, and activate regardless of conscious intent.
 
MoTown16 said:
How can one be unaware of being gay?
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Nothing is more common to humans than a person deceiving themself about important issues.

MoTown16 said:
Aren't gay people born that way?
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Evidence leads me to that conclusion.

MoTown16 said:
He would have known from puberty that he was sexually attracted to men.
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Not at all. In order to know that he was sexually attracted to men, he would have first had to admit to himself that if was possible and allowable for him to be sexually attracted to men.

MoTown16 said:
Seems like his supporters want to argue both sides of the fence. He's either 1) bi-sexual and chose to become exclusive with men, 2) he became gay (which isn't possible because it's genetic, not environmental or chosen); or 3) he was always gay and chose to hide it from Carolyn and others in order to preserve his career/big paycheck.
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1) I am 99% sure that if he were bisexual, he would never have come out as gay., not even tho himself.
2) Agreed.
3) I am 90% sure that the first person Jason Collins hid it from was Jason Collins.

MoTown16 said:
And yes, I am being a judgmental jerk because so many are calling Jason a HERO, telling him proud he should be. No one is mentioning the GF that was lied to for 8 years.
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Didn't you just quote a news story mentioning her?
 
MoTown16 said:
And BTW, I would be equally critical of a heterosexual man who had been stringing along a woman for 8 years to preserve his career, only to then tell her he really had no intention of ever marrying her or starting a family, that it was all a façade and he was never really attracted to her in the first place.
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you seem unwilling to accept that jason collins is anything but a mustache-twirling villain when it's far more likely that he hadn't accepted his own sexuality
 
One Brow said:
By your definition, every single human with functioning reproductive organs is bisexual. Every. Single. One. Response to sexual stimuli are controlled by the autonomic nervous system, and activate regardless of conscious intent.
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Not true.
That's what attraction is all about.
Which "sexual stimuli" you respond to.
 
Julie Greengiant said:
you seem unwilling to accept that jason collins is anything but a mustache-twirling villain when it's far more likely that he hadn't accepted his own sexuality
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Seems like he may have accepted that -at the latest-when he broke off his engagement, yet he did not tell Carolyn Moos of his attraction to men. By Jason's own admission, he did not just wake up this month and find himself attracted to men. Shortly after acknowledging he did not want to be married to a woman he needed - had a responsibility to tell Carolyn. The story about his fiance was disclosed a few days later and has barely been mentioned in national media since. And to be as "flippant" and dismissive as you have been, let me just say, I don't think Jason has a mustache long enough for twirling.
 
MoTown16 said:
How can one be unaware of being gay? Aren't gay people born that way? He would have known from puberty that he was sexually attracted to men.
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......if, in fact, he had homosexual tendencies or leanings at an early age, he certainly did not fight those tendencies sufficient enough to overcome them, as others have done. He was not born a homosexual. Some have an extra hormone or two of the opposite sex that does not belong there, but he was created a male. Thus his predominate attraction had to be for a female. What happened in his early childhood could have effected him. However, it was controllable and his choice in the matter.....and he choose the homosexual lifestyle. When he did this is open for debate but choose he did!
 
MoTown16 said:
Seems like he may have accepted that -at the latest-when he broke off his engagement, yet he did not tell Carolyn Moos of his attraction to men. By Jason's own admission, he did not just wake up this month and find himself attracted to men. Shortly after acknowledging he did not want to be married to a woman he needed - had a responsibility to tell Carolyn. The story about his fiance was disclosed a few days later and has barely been mentioned in national media since. And to be as "flippant" and dismissive as you have been, let me just say, I don't think Jason has a mustache long enough for twirling.
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I guess that's a matter of opinion. He did not feel that he had the responsibility to come out to her or anyone, until recently. He ended the relationship, so it wouldn't have mattered if he was gay or not.
 
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