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Kirelenko in Trade talks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe AK and his agent are playing dumb about the whole thing until everything is finalized. Could be big changes in the deal and nobody knows for sure who's going where.
 
Jeff said:
As sirkickyass pointed out, your statement is waaaaaaaay wrong.
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Just to give the full picture, Charlotte was a far inferior team; Diaw even played some center for them. Playing alongside Stoudemire (iffy difender as he is) and with Nash et al is a big boost. Problem with Diaw is that he's fat, and it's almost as tough to teach lean as it is to teach height. Long gone are the days that Diaw aspired to play point guard in the NBA. Maybe playing again on a winner will help, but Sloan will have to keep him away from Chuck-a-Rama (which is probably one of CJ's favorite places because it's an appropriate nickname).
 
Diaw has to know Jazz will expect him to get into shape quick and will be relentless about it.
 
Just when I started to believe that all those other salary-dump trades were flukes, and that this season the Jazz were fully committed to winning.

**** this news so hard.
 
slc said:
Diaw has to know Jazz will expect him to get into shape quick and will be relentless about it.
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. . . except that Kirilenko took years to really make any substantial improvement in his strength,
and Memo didn't seem to make much improvement in his conditioning during his Utah tenure. (The most important thing that Boozer had to do to improve was to put forth focus and effort on defense; he was in OK shape already for a 260-pounder.)

By contrast, the likes of Millsap and Deron took it upon themselves to get in shape.

Here's hoping that Big Al and Elder Hayward and Raja and Jeremy and Fesenko (if he signs) and Watson and Elson are doing / have done the same.
 
Sirkickyass said:
The Bobcats were one of the worst offenses in the league last season. Once you account for differences in minutes and pace, Diaw's stats were significantly worse last season than they were in 2005-2006.

05-06: 15.0 p/40, 7.8 r/40, 7.0 a/40, 52.6% FG, 30.5 assist rate, 11.5 TO rate, 10.8 rebound rate

09-10: 12.7 p/40, 5.8 r/40, 4.5 a/40, 48.3% FG, 24.2 assist rate, 13.3 TO rate, 8.8 rebound rate

So yes, I looked up his stats and your conclusion is wrong.

FWIW, AK outperformed Diaw in every one of thsoe metrics except for a/40 and assist rate.

This is why AK had a PER of 18.25 and Diaw had one of 12.8. That delta of 5.4 is massive. It's the difference between Deron Williams and Raymond Felton or between Carlos Boozer and Charlie Villanueva.
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This dove tails into the fallacy of the "injury" argument. The injury argument is based on a the fallacy that future injuries are even remotely predictable. The game is chaos and random as are injuries. The only injuries that are suspect are those chronic in nature. Think the Harp knee that didn't stop the Jazz from flushing 6 million down the toilet. Would you rather have Williams for a random 65 games a year or 82 games or Ray Felton?

Furthermore, I am not cap expert but you aren't trading 18 million for 9 million, you are trading 18 million for 9 million this year plus QRoss plus whatever else comes back plus the additional trash you have signed (watson,Elson,etc) or are going to sign plus 9 million next year subtract whatever LT savings are projected. Not sure, but at least that is closer to the truth than what nonsense 1320 is pushing.

The upside is the Boris/Sloan mixture has wonderful upside potential.
 
Stickler said:
Just when I started to believe that all those other salary-dump trades were flukes, and that this season the Jazz were fully committed to winning.

**** this news so hard.
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Except all of the salary dumps were good moves. So is this one, if it happens.
 
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