Lion's Roar
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If the Jazz are asking for more I'm thinking they might be asking for a big tub of vaseline.
Kirelenko in Trade talks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Edgewriter
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I see Kicky sent an eloquent and impassioned message to Greg Miller about this trade via Twitter
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Lion's Roar
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A few misconceptions about this whole thing that I would like to get my cents in:
#1 Diaw isn't 7' tall like I read a few pages back. He's 6'8''. He started at SG/ PG in Atlanta and ate his way into the PF slot. He played C for Phoenix but that's not a + on him it's a huge - on those Phoenix teams.
#2 How can you possibly NOT consider Diaw's salary next year? It's mind bogling. You save money this year and next year when the new CBA kicks in and you're stuck with a $9M salary slot to a sub you'll simply look (insert high pitch voice) BRILLIANT.
#3 I was pretty sure AK would be gone but this trade is pretty freakin' bad.
#1 Diaw isn't 7' tall like I read a few pages back. He's 6'8''. He started at SG/ PG in Atlanta and ate his way into the PF slot. He played C for Phoenix but that's not a + on him it's a huge - on those Phoenix teams.
#2 How can you possibly NOT consider Diaw's salary next year? It's mind bogling. You save money this year and next year when the new CBA kicks in and you're stuck with a $9M salary slot to a sub you'll simply look (insert high pitch voice) BRILLIANT.
#3 I was pretty sure AK would be gone but this trade is pretty freakin' bad.
What I am saying to you is that we have 2 choices here if Anthony trade does indeed go through:
1) get Diaw via Charlotte, which Harris going to Charlotte.
2) get Harris without any need of Charlotte whatsoever, since Denver wants AK, not Diaw.
I am saying we must go with option #2. Do you disagree?
vslice02
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Now that I've had a day to think about it, this trade does make sense for Utah both financially (obviously) and from a basketball standpoint:
1) Saving $8 million this year - over $16 million in luxury tax savings
2) With Memo out for a large portion of the season it sounds like Jefferson and Millsap will both be playing close to 35 min/game - similar to the minutes Boozer/Millsap played against Denver in the playoffs. Diaw could step in and be a very good 6th-man, a role he's more suited to because he's not a very good rebounder but w/his passing Utah could run their 2nd-unit offense through him. He's not a good 1-on-1 defender but he's a pretty good pick-and-roll defender (and so is Millsap). Diaw has also developed into a decent 3pt threat, so he can fill the Memo role on pick-and-pop as well as rolling up on the weakside in high screen-roll.
I don't think a healthy Kirilenko for Boris Diaw swap is anything close to an even trade, but given the fact you just can't count on AK for more than 60 games plus the massive contract savings, this isn't a bad move for Utah.
1) Saving $8 million this year - over $16 million in luxury tax savings
2) With Memo out for a large portion of the season it sounds like Jefferson and Millsap will both be playing close to 35 min/game - similar to the minutes Boozer/Millsap played against Denver in the playoffs. Diaw could step in and be a very good 6th-man, a role he's more suited to because he's not a very good rebounder but w/his passing Utah could run their 2nd-unit offense through him. He's not a good 1-on-1 defender but he's a pretty good pick-and-roll defender (and so is Millsap). Diaw has also developed into a decent 3pt threat, so he can fill the Memo role on pick-and-pop as well as rolling up on the weakside in high screen-roll.
I don't think a healthy Kirilenko for Boris Diaw swap is anything close to an even trade, but given the fact you just can't count on AK for more than 60 games plus the massive contract savings, this isn't a bad move for Utah.
I am surprised very few people got the essence of what we are talking about here. Greg Miller has to trade AK in either scenario - that's 13 mil (or more depending what that the kick back will be from tax paying teams to non tax paying teams) savings this year. Granted next year Diaw will be overpaid by 3-4 mil as compared to the replacement we could have found on the free agent market, but still - even 10 mil savings is a huge amount and well exceeds the difference in skill between AK and Diaw.
The real point here is that we can just get Harris instead, who is not overpaid at all, and save 13 million this year ANYWAY, plus get an all star on the roster. Again, when Harris is what NJ is willing to give, and AK is what Denver wants, who needs Diaw?
I say we get Watson too. Isn't it GM's job to give coach as much talent as possible? I really don't see a problem having Dwill, Harris, and CJ starting with Watson, Raja, and Hayward backing them up. We are actually significantly upgrading our roster with this move and Watson will still get PT behind DWill. Diaw for AK, on the other hand, while also makes sense financially, is actually a bit if a downgrade in roster. Why not make a move that makes sense financially, while actually upgrading roster by getting Harris? When not kill 2 birds with one stone?
how can this trade work the numbers dont match up if NJ get dj and melo they take on like 20 million and send out 10 and utah sends out 17.8 and takes back 10.2 none of these teams our under the cap so i just dont get how it will work out. I know if its within 25 percent but its not close will someone clarify? thanks
Lion's Roar
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New Jersey is under the cap so they can absorb differences biggeer than the 25%+100K allowed in normal trades for teams over the cap.