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KOC's Method of Negotiation

write4u said:
Ok, we need to move on, or I do, about not signing Matthews.

However, I think it's time to question KOC's method of "negotiation," in letting the market decide. As one poster put it, and I think it might've been on another site, it leaves the small market teams at the mercy of the larger market teams with more money.

Isn't it better to negotiate with the players you want, to assure them you want them back, and isn't it human nature that guys will take less to stay with the team they like and are comfortable playing for, and who they are going to get guaranteed playing time because they know their role and they fit well? So, you lock them up with a fair offer and don't worry about getting raped by other teams.

It's happened two years in a row now with Portland. Is KOC going to learn his lesson or continue being a weasel?

Bargaining in good faith worked for many years with Stockton. Don't see why it can't work again.
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So do you have any example of players besides Stockton. Because he was a different animal than most people and almost all professional athletes.

Get a clue how business works.
 
But that isn't what Matthews said. So, you believe one side that satisfies your view of things but refuse to believe the other side because it doesn't fit. Someone is not telling the truth.
 
write4u said:
But that isn't what Matthews said. So, you believe one side that satisfies your view of things but refuse to believe the other side because it doesn't fit. Someone is not telling the truth.
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Good job ripping on yourself there, bub.
 
write4u said:
But that isn't what Matthews said. So, you believe one side that satisfies your view of things but refuse to believe the other side because it doesn't fit. Someone is not telling the truth.
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I believe the story that came out before somebody got hurt feeling's.

Why can't they both be telling the truth? Jazz met with the agent and did not like what he was demanding so they never made a formal offer.

It's not like I don't believe Mathews it just does not fit with that we heard that the Jazz had met with his agent and he was demanding the full MLE. The Jazz were not interested at that value so there was no point in making a formal offer.

I don't buy that agents tell their clients everything that goes into negotiations and feel that Mathews is now not happy because he knows he is going to struggle to get minutes. He wanted the full MLE, figured that the Jazz would match if he proved he could get it. Portland wants to screw the Jazz and so they were the one team to make the offer that nobody (including the Jazz) felt he was really worth. It backfired as the Jazz went another way and now Wesley is likely going to pay for it with less minutes and opportunity.
 
We really don't know how well Matthews communicated with his agent on exactly what he wanted, or if this was communicated by Wes's agent to KoC. Given that fact, I find it silly to criticize KoC on this.
Agents agenda is always go for the $$$, and 99% of players are for that. A more veteran player who's been around agents likely would've been more forceful in ensuring their agent is doing what the player wants. Too many players just go along with their agent, assuming he'll do what's best. Who knows what was said between Matthews and his agent or his agent and KoC BEFORE Wes signed Portland's offer sheet. The agent could easily have neglected to mention Wes's desire to stay in Utah.
I really wanted to keep Matthews, but it's history now, so time to move on...
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Why offer a guy less when he's going to look elsewhere anyway? 4/16 in my mind is overpaying for Matthews. Matthews started the process at the full MLE.

When the person you're negotiating with demands more than double what you think is fair, negotiations pretty much go nowhere.
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That is the same contract Giricek got and he sucked. Wes prove to be a better player than Korver. He got paid 5$ million a year. So the MLE is not out of the question.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
So it goes in the NBA. You can't win them all. KOC worked his *** off this offseason and pulled the Jazz out of the potential cellar into contention again. He did everything the fans wanted. The Wesley situation was unfortunate, but we move on with the team we've got. Raja is no slouch and bring almost everything Matthews did, and veteran experience and leadership. I think we should let this go and thank the FO and the Millers for giving the fans another competitive team to root for. We just saw the Jazz org. do something it has never really done before. Savor the moment.
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I think you are thinking about the old Raja. The current Raja has been passed around more then the ugly girl at the ward dance.
 
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honz said:
It seems as though wrong4u and others aren't interested in facts...

From Ross Siler of the Tribune via Tweeter:
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yea, KOC said Wes was his priority but he had to wait until the Boozer deal. So people can say a lot of things. Just because Wes alledgedly said he wanted the MLE does not stop you from putting an offer on the table. The Jazz made the mistake of telling him to get an offer. Wes got an offer and the Jazz were dumbfounded. Look at what some other guys are getting in the league it should not have been a surprise especially after Millsap situation. If the Jazz truly meant that Wes was their priority they should have offered him the MLE. The Jazz were being cheap and they got burned. Now they are trying to cover it up by getting a cheaper player. Of course the majority of Jazz fans are happy beccause they think they got the same player in Raja Bell. Sorry but Raja is not the same player he was when he played for the Jazz especially and he has zero chance of getting better. He is who he is.
 
here is one way to look at it an agent is like a attorney. greedy most of the time. he told mattews i can get you this much money lets find out what the jazz will offer then we will tell them we want the full mle then the jazz tells them to go and find an other team that will. so they did. but remember the agent has control of mattews building his confidence up for the high pay check. because agents are greedy and the bigger the contract the more the agent makes. if Matthews was really wanting to come back to the jazz he would of told his agent make it happen. the agent put blind folds on matthews . now when matthews goes to potty he will realize its not as fun iam not a starter.
 
write4u said:
It would be nice if people focused on the main topic here, not Matthews. And that is the method of negotiation that has left us vulnerable two years in a row.
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Your so-called negotiation strategy assumes that your lowball offer is never going to be run by all the other possible suitors giving them a chance to beat it. It also makes the assumption that Wesley Matthews would be so overwhelmed by our lowball offer that he would then no longer talk to other teams and sign it on the spot. You're naive if you think we're any better off with this "strategy".

There's a good chance that the reason the agent went in asking for full MLE is because he already knew that such an offer was very likely. Not saying that anything illegal ever takes place in the NBA, but ...

These people are making transactions for millions of dollars and you act as if we're trying to buy a used car.
 
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