KOC's Method of Negotiation

[freakazoid]

Ok, we need to move on, or I do, about not signing Matthews.

I'm impressed. And here I thought you were the type to beat a dead horse until it broke down into fertilizer, grew into a tree, and then you beat the tree.

I stand corrected.

 

[PrinceJL]

Ok, we need to move on, or I do, about not signing Matthews.

However, I think it's time to question KOC's method of "negotiation," in letting the market decide. As one poster put it, and I think it might've been on another site, it leaves the small market teams at the mercy of the larger market teams with more money.

Isn't it better to negotiate with the players you want, to assure them you want them back, and isn't it human nature that guys will take less to stay with the team they like and are comfortable playing for, and who they are going to get guaranteed playing time because they know their role and they fit well? So, you lock them up with a fair offer and don't worry about getting raped by other teams.

It's happened two years in a row now with Portland. Is KOC going to learn his lesson or continue being a weasel?

Bargaining in good faith worked for many years with Stockton. Don't see why it can't work again.

Again, "child please..."
Stop crying about this & stop creating multiple threads on the same topic!

Have you read that management around the league question Portland's ricidulous offer to Matthews...??
He was an undrafted FA (not 2nd rounder) who fit our system & succeeded in this system. Let the market dictate his worth, then you decided on what you want to commit.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

So what offer should they have made that a)would have been overall better than Raja Bell's deal. b) been good enough that Wes wouldn't have looked anywhere at all?

I personally would have offered 4 years, 15M. Not too high to hurt us as far as the cap is concerned and also not five years so if he doesn't develop as we had hoped, his contract isn't seemingly never-ending. In general, he'd be a very tradeable asset too at that price. Yet, for Wes, this is a solid dollar amount and length of contract and one that would be tough to turn down I think.

Worst case. He turns it down and bolts. Which he did anyway.

 

[My2Cents]

You offer your priority the minimum ... sure makes him feel wanted. Great negotiation tactic.

For the hundredth time, it's not the minimum. It was a qualifying offer made to retain his rights. The CBA dictates the amount of the qualifying offer. I think it's 125% of the player's previous salary, or the player's minimum salary plus $175,000, whichever is greater. And did we really need 3 threads about this? KOC did exactly what he should have done. This is on Mathews and his agent.

 

[freakazoid]

 

[VINYLONE]

Matthews wanted his cake and eat her, too. He got an incredible offer, agreed to it, and now cries because the Jazz didn't give him the same offer? Matthews should just call Jerry Sloan, thank him for making him a rich man, and then count his blessings. I've read comments that the Jazz should have offered between $3-4M per. Would Matthews have accepted that, given what Portland gave him? I doubt it. Even if he did, I still think $3-4M per for a one year guy is way too much. I hope he does well. I like him and I have no ill-will toward anyone who leaves for a better situation. Just don't burn the bridge when you leave.

Exactly. This is Matthews first "big" contract and no way he leaves it on the table to play for the Jazz....no way.

 

[bat]

I am sorry if this hurts your feelings write4u, but this is a business, and KOC is a buyer and Matthews is a seller.

And if you know anything about buying and selling, the buyer rarely sets the price, its the seller that tries to determine his whole value.

The last thing you want to do as a buyer is set a bar higher than what the seller is looking for.

So let say KOC said "We will offer you the full MLE" when Matthews was only looking for a 5 year 20 million dollar deal. Then you are a team that is overpaying for a product, and that's not what you want to do. Portland, did become the buyer, and they made an offer higher than market value, and now they are stuck with a contract that is too big for that product.

When Wes's camp came in saying they were looking for the full MLE, KOC suggested he see if he can find that on the market, because as a buyer he had determined that the product wasn't worth the full MLE, even though the seller was set on making that much money off of his product.

Your problem is you are angry the Jazz aren't matching, but you are trying to say it's the Jazz fault for not offering less when really the fault goes to Portland for offering so much. Contracts like this are bad for the NBA, and that is Portland's fault, not KOC's.

You fail, Raja Bell FTW.

 

[billyshelby]

For the hundredth time, it's not the minimum. It was a qualifying offer made to retain his rights. The CBA dictates the amount of the qualifying offer. I think it's 125% of the player's previous salary, or the player's minimum salary plus $175,000, whichever is greater. And did we really need 3 threads about this? KOC did exactly what he should have done. This is on Mathews and his agent.

To add to this, no player in the history of the NBA has ever been offended at being offered the QO before the signing period. It's a formality. At no point did Wes, his agent, or the Jazz think he was going to sign for that amount.

 

[YB85]

Should the Jazz have overpaid Matthews based on potential and what he might do for the next five years?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

 

[write4u]

It would be nice if people focused on the main topic here, not Matthews. And that is the method of negotiation that has left us vulnerable two years in a row.

 

[billyshelby]

It would be nice if people focused on the main topic here, not Matthews. And that is the method of negotiation that has left us vulnerable two years in a row.

Well then why don't you explain what it is that KOC should have done in a way that makes sense based on what we know?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Well then why don't you explain what it is that KOC should have done in a way that makes sense based on what we know?

Refer to post #39 by me in this thread. What's the downside of that, other than perhaps overpaying him (which obviously wouldn't be the case now that we know the offer he received) by about 500K-1M per year?