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Saint Cy of JFC said:
There's no reason to sign a player who at best is marginally better than Forrest and interrupt Forrest's development as a smart steady backup PG.

Forrest has been very good lately. He doesnt do anything flashy, but he always makes the right pass and is good enough to put pressure on the rim while having that aforementioned ability. He's got the ability to make others around him better despite not being all that great himself.

Dunn doesnt have that. I will give you he's a more impactful man defender, certainly more aggressive, but Forrest fits the offense much better. The reality is we arent putting Dunn into a playoff game because he's going to entirely **** the offensive flow up. He's a bad bad bad offensive player on all fronts.
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I believe there'd be as strong of an argument to give Dunn playoff minutes as there would be to give Clarkson playoff minutes. That's not to say that it would play out that way or that Quin would actually give those minutes, but I think the argument would be just as strong. Our "historic offense" is there to facilitate playing someone like Dunn 10 mpg. Otherwise, we'll have "historic collapse" or continue to put up "historically bad" clutch numbers where we fall apart at the seams.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And opponents have a defensive rating of 97 when Forrest is on the court btw. If you look at the lineup data, all the non-garbage time lineups he is in perform excellent.

It's the garbage time lineups he is in that struggle.

(all small sample size of course)
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He's a decent defender. With how poor our team is on individual defense it would make him relatively good by comparison. But in the amount of time as 10 mpg, we're needing a microwave defender. Someone who's the defensive Clarkson equivalent.
 
tl;dr right now we're talking about trading Clarkson for someone who is a much less offensive volume player because we no longer are dependent on that. When Clarkson first came over, we needed his high usage because he was filling a vacuum. Now we know we could certainly get by with a role guy who's competent. We're the opposite on defense. We're talking about having a role guy who's competent when our deficiency is so huge that it's like when we needed to rely on Clarkson's usage. We need the equivalent to fill the vacuum... the "high-usage" defender guy who takes a huge burden, and not just a competent guy who can plug in.
 
infection said:
I believe there'd be as strong of an argument to give Dunn playoff minutes as there would be to give Clarkson playoff minutes. That's not to say that it would play out that way or that Quin would actually give those minutes, but I think the argument would be just as strong. Our "historic offense" is there to facilitate playing someone like Dunn 10 mpg. Otherwise, we'll have "historic collapse" or continue to put up "historically bad" clutch numbers where we fall apart at the seams.
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Our historic offense can facilitate guys like Royce, players who have next to no on-ball talent but can shoot and are high IQ ball movers.

It can't facilitate on-ball guards who arent smart decision makers and terrible shooters.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Our historic offense can facilitate guys like Royce, players who have next to no on-ball talent but can shoot and are high IQ ball movers.

It can't facilitate on-ball guards who arent smart decision makers and terrible shooters.
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I can't speak as much to his decision making, but Dunn's shooting is better than Forrest's. Forrest's number may be a little higher because he doesn't shoot any threes and he's only shot in the key. You could improve Dunn's numbers by having him shoot at the basket, kick out, or shoot when wide-open.
 
infection said:
I can't speak as much to his decision making, but Dunn's shooting is better than Forrest's. Forrest's number may be a little higher because he doesn't shoot any threes and he's only shot in the key. You could improve Dunn's numbers by having him shoot at the basket, kick out, or shoot when wide-open.
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We hardly have any sample of Forrest taking jumpers. He was obviously bad last year to the point of getting pulled from the rotation, but he was a fairly good shooter in SL.

I would say he's likely better than Dunn at uncontested 3pt shooting. Dunn's peak of shooting came when he was getting a lot of touches and looks. Both of those years Dunn shot markedly better on pull-ups vs catch and shoot.

To top it off, Dunn isnt a guy whose a great rim finisher or in-between finisher. That's where Forrest really beats the pants out of him. Forrest can drive and be aware of the kick out, lob, or scoring opportunities. He's an actual PG.
 
infection said:
We're not signing him. We had guys out and we snagged two separate dudes. If it's an issue that we need someone else to do the homework to prove he isn't dead, then it's silly. Quin wouldn't play him, either.
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Just you wait... they gonna pull you back in... its coming.
 
Turns out that Kris Dunn wasn't injured and didn't have covid. He was traveling world and "cycling" with LeBron's MIA "trainer" and getting "knee procedures" done in Germany with Kobe's old doctor.
 
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