Kyrie to Utah?

[Jack Strop]

Its quite simple really. Kyrie is a 25 year old 4 time all star coming off a year averaging 25 ppg shooting over 47% from the field, over 40% from 3, and over 90% from the line. Those numbers dont suck at all.
averages 6 assists and 2.5 turnover per game. Not bad at all.

Every fan of almost every team should want him on their team.

You fail to acknowledge the financial implications or his free agency in 2 years.
1. Jazz can't pay everyone. Going into the tax is no longer just a 1-1 penalty. It ramps up and is very steep once a team becomes a repeat offender. Even IF Kyrie stayed, do you think he'd do so for less than the mega max?

2. There is then a cascade effect on other starters and the bench as you factor in $55-60m going to just 2 players. And, yes, this would have happened had Hayward remained. Minor incursion into the tax for a couple of years is possible. I guarantee Jazz won't be repeat offenders.

3. If Utah guts the team to acquire him, there's no way they contend within those 2 years. It would be exactly like the Knicks when they acquired Melo.

4. There's no way you give up Mitchell. Jazz aren't contending this year and by next, Donovan could be a very good starter, with the potential to still develop into much more. And on a rookie deal, with Utah then able to keep him for 7-8 years.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

You fail to acknowledge the financial implications or his free agency in 2 years.
1. Jazz can't pay everyone. Going into the tax is no longer just a 1-1 penalty. It ramps up and is very steep once a team becomes a repeat offender. Even IF Kyrie stayed, do you think he'd do so for less than the mega max?

2. If Utah guts the team to acquire him, there's no way they contend within those 2 years. It would be exactly like the Knicks when they acquired Melo.

3. There's no way you give up Mitchell. Jazz aren't contending this year and by next, Donovan could be a very good starter, with the potential to still develop into much more. And on a rookie deal, with Utah then able to keep him for 7-8 years.

If Mitchell develops his offensive game, he'll be a star

 

[JazzMan4Life]

In the latest Lowe Post pod Windhorst said Utah/Cle have been talking on/off for the past few months about deals. Said Cleveland would be interested in Favors *if* they move Love.

Link: http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=20148555

If you're interested in Kyrie it's worth a listen.

 

[fishonjazz]

If Mitchell develops his offensive game, he'll be a star

I hope he can be a 4 time all star by the time he is 25. That would be awesome.

 

[JazzMan4Life]

The main deterrent to trading for him IMO is the length of his contract & his assumed lack of desire to play in Utah.

Both of these things were talked about in the that Zach Lowe podcast.

They brought up how stars getting traded with 2 years left is about as good as it gets, and they talked about how his preferred destinations are more of a statement that he wants to go to a good organization with a good head coach and front office (sound familiar?).

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I hope he can be a 4 time all star by the time he is 25. That would be awesome.

Not in the west. Talk to Lillard DWill and Melo about that. Leonard, who is 10 times better then Lillard is only a 2 time all star and he's 26.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Not in the west. Talk to Lillard DWill and Melo about that. Leonard, who is 10 times better then Lillard is only a 2 time all star and he's 26.

Meant to say ten times better then Kyrie

 

[LoPo]

Why isn't he a "winner" though? iirc he showed up big time in some nba finals games and won a championship.

How do you define a winner? Would you not want cp3 cause he isn't a winner and can't get to the finals? Would you not want Anthony Davis cause he isn't a winner and can't make the playoffs? Paul pierce wasn't a winner until ray Allen and garnett showed up right. Those two (garnett and allen) weren't winners until they joined Paul pierce.

I consider a franchise player/winner somebody who is the reason his team wins a series. Robert Horry was incredible and incredibly clutch. But Horry wasnt the catalyst for teams winning series. He was a key part but not the franchise player.

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[Thee Jazz Fan]

I consider a franchise player/winner somebody who is the reason his team wins a series. Robert Horry was incredible and incredibly clutch. But Horry wasnt the catalyst for teams winning series. He was a key part but not the franchise player.

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Well, lol. I wouldn't exactly compare Kyrie to Horry

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Well, lol. I wouldn't exactly compare Kyrie to Horry

More like Marbury, incredibly skilled player who couldn't coexist with a great player like Garnett

 

[Jack Strop]

I hope he can be a 4 time all star by the time he is 25. That would be awesome.

Trade him to the EC; there's a chance he could be an all-star in a couple of years. Nah, most people are just stat watchers. Tough perimeter defense is lost on just about everyone.

But, again, show me how you put together a contender within 2 years by trading the farm for a 2yr rental? Utah just went through the dog and pony show with Hayward. Not a chance in hell, DL would do the same with Kyrie. With Dame, maybe he would have, because he had expressed an interest in Utah.

We'll bump this thread next year - or even mid-year - when Mitchell is looking like the steal of the draft on a $2m salary. And that's the other part of the equation. If you can spend $20m+ plus to acquire or keep another player, is that more valuable?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

More like Marbury, incredibly skilled player who couldn't coexist with a great player like Garnett

He bounced from team to team. Rare to see a star play for 4 or 5 teams like he did