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Kyrie to Utah?

Not a massive fan of Kyrie in Utah but would it be fair to say that his hero ball game could be due to never having a competent coach at NBA level? Would he 'buy in' to Quin's style of play?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'm not saying fans shouldn't act that way, but when we act that way then turn around and expect absolute loyalty it's hypocritical.

And it has nothing to do w/ Hayward currently, it's about trading players to get someone else. It's to the current players we have. So yeah, while we are constantly thinking about players we'd rather have on the team, players are also thinking about teams they'd rather be on. Loyalty only exist when those 2 things line up.
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I appreciate your response. There's nothing wrong about players thinking about other teams. As long as they are on my team and handle it professionally (and not like us because we shouldn't) I have no problem with that. But for example: as long as Irving is not in a Jazz uniform, I can say that he is a selfish character who is not loyal to his team and to LeBron etc. At the same time If he is on my team, after every point, I will scream my lungs out in the middle of the night in front of my laptop.

I hope you get my point since English is not my first language.
 
To a point I agree that Irving is selfish, but as NBA fans isnt this what we should want?

We complain about "super teams" and those only exist because of unselfishness of star players. Don't we want it to become more in vogue to do what Irving is doing? We should hope Klay Thompson has a similar line of thought when he becomes a free agent.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
But we have a far better shot at resigning them. So, either we are talking about trading Kyrie a year from now or another offseason of meltdown a year later leaving us where we are now as I'm guessing we lose either Gobert or DM. CLE could find better offers then X and Hood or favors and a late first. Lmao!!
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I'm not arguing what it would take to get him or how hard it would be to re-sign him I'm arguing that someone would have to be an idiot not to want him or to think he sucks.
 
fishonjazz said:
I'm not arguing what it would take to get him or how hard it would be to re-sign him I'm arguing that someone would have to be an idiot not to want him or to think he sucks.
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Would I want him for free? Sure.

Do I want to the assets it would take to get him? Not in a million years.

Does he suck? All signs point to yes when he doesnt have Daddy LeBron carrying him (which I'm sure his aware of which is why he wants out to prove those stats wrong).
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Does he suck? All signs point to yes when he doesnt have Daddy LeBron carrying him (which I'm sure his aware of which is why he wants out to prove those stats wrong).
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What are his stats without lebron?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's something like the Cavs have a worse net rating than the Lakers when Irving plays and Lebron is on the bench.
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So when lebron is on the bench then the cavs are not as good. Strange.
 
Its quite simple really. Kyrie is a 25 year old 4 time all star coming off a year averaging 25 ppg shooting over 47% from the field, over 40% from 3, and over 90% from the line. Those numbers dont suck at all.
averages 6 assists and 2.5 turnover per game. Not bad at all.

Every fan of almost every team should want him on their team.
 
fishonjazz said:
Its quite simple really. Kyrie is a 25 year old 4 time all star coming off a year averaging 25 ppg shooting over 47% from the field, over 40% from 3, and over 90% from the line. Those numbers dont suck at all.
averages 6 assists and 2.5 turnover per game. Not bad at all.

Every fan of almost every team should want him on their team.
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Except fans who like to win and don't have Lebron James on their team.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yes, but when you have an All-Star on the floor who is supposedly as good as Irving, he should be able to lead a unit better. It is strange.
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What kind of sample size we talking about? Lebron averaged 38 minutes per game last season and kyrie averaged 35. I know they both start together. and finish the game together. How many minutes per game is kyrie on the court with lebron on the bench? Im curious.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
To a point I agree that Irving is selfish, but as NBA fans isnt this what we should want?

We complain about "super teams" and those only exist because of unselfishness of star players. Don't we want it to become more in vogue to do what Irving is doing? We should hope Klay Thompson has a similar line of thought when he becomes a free agent.
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No matter what these guys do we will kill them as fans. Or at least one section of the crowd will hate what they do.

Guys will talk about winning championships and guys should sacrifice them a minut later call KD weak for wanting to join up to greatness.

These guys need to do what they want... there are drawbacks with all situations. This one is a little curious but I get it... I guess.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Except fans who like to win and don't have Lebron James on their team.
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You wanted to keep hayward iirc. Look at all those amazing seasons the jazz had with him being the best player on the team. Hell, i think the jazz win percentage was better when hayward missed games for injury/sickness than when he played. He wasn't too good without gobert. I guess that means we shouldn't want him on the team (especially at his much larger salary)
Silly guy.
 
fishonjazz said:
What kind of sample size we talking about? Lebron averaged 38 minutes per game last season and kyrie averaged 35. I know they both start together. and finish the game together. How many minutes per game is kyrie on the court with lebron on the bench? Im curious.
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Also if kyrie is playing with second unit then that means he is playing with bench players while James gets the benefit of playing with starters. You win this argument and Saint showing how clueless he is about the sport of bball
 
Kyrie is only making 19 million and then 20 million per year too. Some jazz fans think that Hood and favors will get that much lol.
Bargain.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
To a point I agree that Irving is selfish, but as NBA fans isnt this what we should want?

We complain about "super teams" and those only exist because of unselfishness of star players. Don't we want it to become more in vogue to do what Irving is doing? We should hope Klay Thompson has a similar line of thought when he becomes a free agent.
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I totally hate how right you are about this, Cy. I mean, we sit here in SLC shaking our tiny fists at how bad super teams are for the NBA, but I think the league office just might disagree-- not to mention the fans of Miami a few years ago, and Golden State's fans right now. Houston fans will probably have something to say about that idea, too, and fans of no-team-in-particular who tune in to catch a game now and then, and don't care about watching San Antonio or Utah play the game "the right way". This is a product and an environment we're stuck with, because it makes obscene amounts of money for everyone IN the league and entertains the fans in most markets. We complain about it not as NBA fans, but as small-market Jazz fans who will probably always be part of a vast minority.

Edit: Not trying to be negative about the Jazz, btw-- always been a fan, always will be, and I hope we have a terrific run with the players we have who clearly want to be here!
 
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Kyrie might fit on the court, but he won't want to be here and I'm sure he'd be a problem... then you factor in what we'd have to trade for him and it is an easy pass for me.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Kyrie might fit on the court, but he won't want to be here and I'm sure he'd be a problem... then you factor in what we'd have to trade for him and it is an easy pass for me.
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Exactly. I'm not sure how this thread got this long, frankly-- it should have died the second he announced the teams he was interested in being traded to. Offseason threads, though. :)
 
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