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Las Vegas: Worst Mass Shooting in US History

Wes Mantooth said:
A go-go-go, work harder and longer, hyper competitive mentality. IMO.
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Bah.

I'm working 80+ hours a week right now. Even if I wanted to (and I don't) I wouldn't have the time to plan something like this and execute it.

People just aren't happy. Money doesn't do it. The latest toys don't do it. Their spouse or families don't do it. They're searching, aren't finding, and they're angry. Nobody is content with what they have...which could be attributed partly to a hyper competitive mentality I guess, but I wouldn't go that far. I think people work harder because they think if they have more they'll be happier...and that never works.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Heavily planned. This guy spent a lot of time setting this up. This was not some random shoot my parent then go to the local school. It was incredibly well-orchestrated, way better than Columbine or any other where there was actual planning involved.


And for the record I think debating gun control in this kind of thing is like talking about closing McDonald's because people get fat. It does not address the core of the issue, or the root cause, if you will. In most cases, possibly this one too, the root cause is mental illness of some kind. The way our society stigmatizes and short-changes mental illness guarantees that this kind of thing will continue to happen no matter how long people have to wait for guns. And saying that removing guns entirely is the answer to that, well that is just cruel in inhumane to have such little empathy for people living with mental illness severe enough to cause them to go this route. If we care about people at all we would care about providing mental health care that would mitigate the majority of these things and help people live better, more productive, and happier lives.
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Is there any evidence of mental illness in the shooters history in this instance?
 
fishonjazz said:
Is there any evidence of mental illness in the shooters history in this instance?
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Besides going on a killing spree and then committing suicide?


I mean he has a family history of it as well. His father was diagnosed with mental disorders:
Patrick Benjamin Paddock, also known as Benjamin Hoskins Paddock, was wanted by the agency for escaping from prison in 1968, where he was incarcerated for armed bank robbery. He was diagnosed as psychopathic, with suicidal tendencies.

He was bumped from the most-wanted list in 1977, according to the FBI's website.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/card/stephen-paddock-s-father-was-fbi-s-most-wanted-list-n806781
 
Stoked said:
And if they do it is going to be ugly as hell.
[MENTION=181]Ron Mexico[/MENTION], I disagree on the bombs. It can be fairly easy to create bombs that can cause mass damage to a crowd of people. Devices that significantly damage buildings and structures is a different matter entirely.
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Weird that there are way more shootings than bombings then.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Sure they are ways to hurt people besides guns. They can be effective I am not arguing that. My point is people are not using those types of devices with any frequency that is alarming even in countries that have gun control. In countries like Australia when gun control has gone into place these mass killings have gone down and none of these types of killings have gone up. The longer it takes to make something or plan something the less likely someone is to carry it out especially when it comes to killing another human. Guns are easier to get a hold of and easier to kill someone with. Even waiting to get a gun or having less access to your own gun prevents deaths.
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Doesn't seem like anyone is willing or able to discuss a counter to this point you present.
 
JustTheTip said:
Bah.

I'm working 80+ hours a week right now. Even if I wanted to (and I don't) I wouldn't have the time to plan something like this and execute it.

People just aren't happy. Money doesn't do it. The latest toys don't do it. Their spouse or families don't do it. They're searching, aren't finding, and they're angry. Nobody is content with what they have...which could be attributed partly to a hyper competitive mentality I guess, but I wouldn't go that far. I think people work harder because they think if they have more they'll be happier...and that never works.
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Some great points from the various sides looking in. I get what Log says and I get what you say. For me, personally, taking a government job was the worst thing I could do. I don't work hard at all nearly ever, make plenty of money, have a secure retirement, and get plenty of vacation and sick leave. For me that has not exactly been fulfilling even though probably 80% of society would love to be in my wife and my shoes.

Some societies like to work hard. Look at Japanese culture. Some societies like the leisure and collective leveling of wages. Germany doesn't have low mass shootings (and they are one of the very lowest per capita) because of gun laws or the reasons Log stated. They have low gun crime rates because that is their cultural wiring.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I think that committing mass murder and suicide qualify you as having a mental illness. The mass murder part makes someone a psychopath to me.
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We were talking about how to reduce these things. Knowing he is crazy after he is dead doesn't help prevent the act, does it?

That's why I asked about he shooter having a history of mental illness. I have yet to see anything about that. Seems like he was a normal dude.
 
fishonjazz said:
We were talking about how to reduce these things. Knowing he is crazy after he is dead doesn't help prevent the act, does it?
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We need a time machine. That would help us go back and know who are the psychopaths are before the murders occur.
 
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