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Lauri Markkanen, no longer considered untouchable?

infection said:
It will be great when we have no tangible product but "man, we've got sooo many assets!!"

And just to beat a dead horse...

When it's brought up of some hypothetical of "hey, what if we had figured out a way to get Lauri to add to our team?" it is mentioned that there was no way to predict his blow up happening. That's true and I have no disagreements with that. The problem that I have is that with regard to that situation or any others, we appeal to the idea that it was impossible to know the future, yet when we talk about our team going nowhere, we speak in absolutes that it was 100% knowable and unable to be redeemed. And, because we cut it off, there's no way to actual combat that belief with anything, so the sentiment stands. I still stand by the idea that to get back to where we were has a lower probability of happening than to go from where we were to where we were wanting to be.
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One day to start the season I imagine we only have 4 players on the actual roster and we are all looking at each other going "that's right... we forgot to get players and picks."

Trading Lauri would be "taking profits" and would simplify things in that we know what direction we are headed. It would be a bit frustrating as that direction would be a long path. I would take some solace in how quickly OKC has turned things around. No one has really done "the process" with as many assets as we'd have to start with except OKC. SGA was a huge shortcut and I don't see us having that guy unfortunately.
 
Amick had a nice article on Lauri... here are Lauri's thoughts

"I just want to emphasize,” he said at the end of our 10-minute chat, “that I really believe in what we’re building here with the Jazz.”

He doesn't want to be moved. We will be able to negotiate an extension this offseason as long as we keep the cap clean. This is very good for us but it does give DA ultimate leverage (that's right... LEVERAGE TALK!) in any trade negotiation. Go ahead an make a fair offer... we will reject it... offers that are 150% of what market should be are what will get it done.
 
Lauri has made it pretty clear he wants to be here and believes in the rebuild. Amick reported Lauri emphasized he believes in what the Jazz are building and wants to stay before the Sac game. He's a great guy to build around. No idea why anyone would want to trade him unless maybe some stupid crazy good offer came in, but I'm doubtful of that.
 
On the Sacramento front... They get more interesting after the season ends as their obligation to Atlanta will be done. So can offer 4 full firsts.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Lauri has made it pretty clear he wants to be here and believes in the rebuild. Amick reported Lauri emphasized he believes in what the Jazz are building and wants to stay before the Sac game. He's a great guy to build around. No idea why anyone would want to trade him unless maybe some stupid crazy good offer came in, but I'm doubtful of that.
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I think most of the bluster now is "go ahead and send us a stupid offer if you'd like". He's so good and such a clean fit in so many spots that I can see a godfather offer coming in. Not likely but not crazy.
 
infection said:
It will be great when we have no tangible product but "man, we've got sooo many assets!!"

And just to beat a dead horse...

When it's brought up of some hypothetical of "hey, what if we had figured out a way to get Lauri to add to our team?" it is mentioned that there was no way to predict his blow up happening. That's true and I have no disagreements with that. The problem that I have is that with regard to that situation or any others, we appeal to the idea that it was impossible to know the future, yet when we talk about our team going nowhere, we speak in absolutes that it was 100% knowable and unable to be redeemed. And, because we cut it off, there's no way to actual combat that belief with anything, so the sentiment stands. I still stand by the idea that to get back to where we were has a lower probability of happening than to go from where we were to where we were wanting to be.
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Building on what we had was difficult with limited assets, no doubt about that. Getting back to where we were even with all these assets is also extremely difficult and even as we run into those difficulties I still think people overlook that. But now we're in this position where we can just deflect to the future. Whether or not that actually manifests into something, we'll wait and see, but I can see how that's comfortable for many. In the other situation there was actual pressure to perform.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Lauri has made it pretty clear he wants to be here and believes in the rebuild. Amick reported Lauri emphasized he believes in what the Jazz are building and wants to stay before the Sac game. He's a great guy to build around. No idea why anyone would want to trade him unless maybe some stupid crazy good offer came in, but I'm doubtful of that.
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Lauri is a good guy to build around, but you do actually have to build around him. I don't think that means you have to trade for a star today, but I also don't think you can just sit around in "waiting for a move" mode year after year. It's actually a shame when you have a player like Lauri and do not give him the chance to win anything. Despite his optimism, I imagine it's also not a great feeling to use up the prime of his career playing for a franchise who quits have way through the season each year because the team isn't good enough.
 
KqWIN said:
Lauri is a good guy to build around, but you do actually have to build around him. I don't think that means you have to trade for a star today, but I also don't think you can just sit around in "waiting for a move" mode year after year. It's actually a shame when you have a player like Lauri and do not give him the chance to win anything. Despite his optimism, I imagine it's also not a great feeling to use up the prime of his career playing for a franchise who quits have way through the season each year because the team isn't good enough.
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And if you can’t find the star you have to at least adjust from project and value flip mode. Like you have to build an actual roster and not a collection of stuff. The pivot point is coming this offseason and trade deadline. If they punt it’s a sign they have no plan.
 
KqWIN said:
Lauri is a good guy to build around, but you do actually have to build around him. I don't think that means you have to trade for a star today, but I also don't think you can just sit around in "waiting for a move" mode year after year. It's actually a shame when you have a player like Lauri and do not give him the chance to win anything. Despite his optimism, I imagine it's also not a great feeling to use up the prime of his career playing for a franchise who quits have way through the season each year because the team isn't good enough.
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Well as far as your year after year comment.... We haven't even reached the trade deadline of year two.
Also he doesn't play for a franchise who quits half way through the season each year either. Again, it's the beginning of year two.
Not sky is falling time yet.

Maybe he really enjoyed the team building and all the playoff success that was happening in Cleveland and Chicago though and misses it.

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Handlogten's Heros said:
Amick had a nice article on Lauri... here are Lauri's thoughts

"I just want to emphasize,” he said at the end of our 10-minute chat, “that I really believe in what we’re building here with the Jazz.”

He doesn't want to be moved. We will be able to negotiate an extension this offseason as long as we keep the cap clean. This is very good for us but it does give DA ultimate leverage (that's right... LEVERAGE TALK!) in any trade negotiation. Go ahead an make a fair offer... we will reject it... offers that are 150% of what market should be are what will get it done.
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If Lauri is saying this after the type of season we are having, man I would be really sad to see him go. I think the question would be how long is he willing to be bad for though? It is going to be really tempting to be very bad next year, is Lauri cool with that?
 
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