LDS General Conference Fall 2015

[fishonjazz]

Intended or not, one of the strongest messages the church (the membership, specifically, not the gospel itself) conveys is to never question church authority. In my adult life, I've never been comfortable with how many members will forfeit understanding "why" just so they don't feel like they're losing faith. I fully believe in having faith, but I don't believe God operates on the classic parenting strategy of "because I said so". In my experience, leaders such as bishops are not as judgmental about people with questions, but the general membership can be excruciatingly so. But I guess that's part of what you were getting at, Stoked...

So along those lines I have a serious question for everyone.

Why are "bad words" bad words?
I mean they all come from the same alphabet right? Why is **** a bad word but poop, feces, crap, dang, shoot, etc not bad words?
There is not a list of bad words in the scriptures is there?

Also, is there anywhere in scriptures that says not to smoke pot?
I remember a bible verse that says that God has given us the seed bearing plants and herbs to use. (I think I heard it in a cyprus hill song called hits from the bong)

 

[colton]

That type of thing is much worse here in Utah than it was in anywhere else I've lived, namely California, Maryland, and Wisconsin.

I'm interested to know why YOU think that is?

I think it has to do with people confusing culture with doctrine, which is likely human nature for a majority religion.

Also, did you see my post regarding Mr. U's address? I didn't want you to miss that.

Yes, just didn't reply to it. I really respect you for going to the source to learn about what Mormons believe/are taught, as opposed to relying on secondary websites which may or may not be accurate. Glad part of his talk was meaningful to you.

 

[fishonjazz]

Something I think plays into it is a case of the Keeping Up With The Joneses. In Utah it is majority Mormon so everyone is a member. So members try to out mormon each other and things get cliquish and judgemental.

Good answer

 

[colton]

Growing up in Memphis and going to high school there in the mid to late 90s was the worst. It was extremely anti mormon at the time and I had some bad experiences. Public ridicule, physical assault, denied entrance to school clubs, insults, astounding ignorance (was asked multiple times by people where my horns were and they sincerely wanted to know) and betrayal...the root cause of all this was various pastors in the Southern Baptist religion. They made a living of of anti-mormon rhetoric.

Sad. Bet it makes you sympathize with nonLDS people in Utah, though. And helps one understand why we're continually getting conference addresses telling us NOT to treat our neighbors like that. (Sad that such addresses are necessary.)

 

[Stoked]

So along those lines I have a serious question for everyone.

Why are "bad words" bad words?
I mean they all come from the same alphabet right? Why is **** a bad word but poop, feces, crap, dang, shoot, etc not bad words?
There is not a list of bad words in the scriptures is there?

Also, is there anywhere in scriptures that says not to smoke pot?
I remember a bible verse that says that God has given us the seed bearing plants and herbs to use. (I think I heard it in a cyprus hill song called hits from the bong)

Well one of the Mormon tenets is that the Lord is not done talking to his children and giving the guidance/revelation. So as issues arise and things change the Lord guides the church.

For example bad words are not the same back then. So as things change the Lord provides guidance on things as they change.

 

[fishonjazz]

Well one of the Mormon tenets is that the Lord is not done talking to his children and giving the guidance/revelation. So as issues arise and things change the Lord guides the church.

For example bad words are not the same back then. So as things change the Lord provides guidance on things as they change.

I see
Thanks

 

[Stoked]

Sad. Bet it makes you sympathize with nonLDS people in Utah, though. And helps one understand why we're continually getting conference addresses telling us NOT to treat our neighbors like that. (Sad that such addresses are necessary.)

I agree that it is sad. I see it here all the time and it saddens me. Self proclaimed Christians behaving in a way that I think would sadden Him.

Love on another as I have love you.

 

[mellow]

Something I think plays into it is a case of the Keeping Up With The Joneses. In Utah it is majority Mormon so everyone is a member. So members try to out mormon each other and things get cliquish and judgemental.

Well said stoked. i have seen this too often in my life. It reminds me of a column by Kirby from the salt lake tribune, he talked about people who smelled of tobacco smoke being shunned in Mormon church, then said it was too bad other sins or weaknesses didn't smell. As I recall, He suggested that if self-righteousness smelled like a rotting carp carcus that no-one would go to church on Sunday because of the smell.

For me it is a delicate and dynamic balance striving for saint like behavior, but living unpretentiously.

 

[NAOS]

Sounds like you're with Brother Brigham (and me) on this one: "the greatest fear I have is that the people of this Church will accept what we say as the will of the Lord without first praying about it and getting the witness within their own hearts that what we say is the word of the Lord"

I'm hugely curious about Brigham Young. His political career in the Utah territory alone seems like a subject of serious intrigue. Would love to read more.

 

[Stoked]

I see
Thanks

Not that I think that the Lord said "hey guys don't say x, y and z". I think it is more in tune with Love one another as I have loved you and how not to treat others. Swearing at someone is not a way of showing that.

 

[Stoked]

Well said stoked. i have seen this too often in my life. It reminds me of a column by Kirby from the salt lake tribune, he talked about people who smelled of tobacco smoke being shunned in Mormon church, then said it was too bad other sins or weaknesses didn't smell. As I recall, He suggested that if self-righteousness smelled like a rotting carp carcus that no-one would go to church on Sunday because of the smell.

For me it is a delicate and dynamic balance striving for saint like behavior, but living unpretentiously.

Human nature confuses building up with tearing others down.

 

[fishonjazz]

Love on another

Now we're talkin!