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LDS issued statement on recent court ruling

JGolds

JGolds

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After the court Ruling yesturday the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints issued the following statement:

LDS said:
Church Responds to

Supreme Court Marriage Rulings



Salt Lake City —

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints released the following statement today regarding the decisions announced by the United States Supreme Court on cases involving marriage:

"By ruling that supporters of Proposition 8 lacked standing to bring this case to court, the Supreme Court has highlighted troubling questions about how our democratic and judicial system operates. Many Californians will wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong when their government will not defend or protect a popular vote that reflects the views of a majority of their citizens.

"In addition, the effect of the ruling is to raise further complex jurisdictional issues that will need to be resolved.

"Regardless of the court decision, the Church remains irrevocably committed to strengthening traditional marriage between a man and a woman, which for thousands of years has proven to be the best environment for nurturing children. Notably, the court decision does not change the definition of marriage in nearly three-fourths of the states."
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The judicial system has no checks and balances and knows that. It is sad that the popular vote can't run this country anymore. We are run by the loud minority now where everyone else is too afraid to speak up.
 
green said:
The judicial system has no checks and balances and knows that. It is sad that the popular vote can't run this country anymore. We are run by the loud minority now where everyone else is too afraid to speak up.
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Hypothetical: If the white vote in the land all got together and decided that we wanted to have segregated toilets again, would you vote for it? How about if all people with naturally brown or black hair decided that they were the master race, and the US belonged to them and no one else, would you vote to boot everyone else out? How about if all the middle and lower class people voted to confiscate the lands and property of the upper class, and divide it up equally amongst the middle?

You speak of popular vote as if that should be law. But that can be very dangerous. Where's the line that says "We're hurting other people. We shouldn't be allowed to do this."? Are you seriously going to tell me that we as Americans can honestly choose that for ourselves? Really? In 1964 congress recognized the link between cancer and tobacco, has killed or had a direct link in killing 440,000 people a year, and it's STILL legal.

To me, the line that has to stop us is not when we judge another people's ideas/way of life, but when we outlaw that way of life even though it causes no harm.
 
Stoked said:
Why?
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I'm just kidding. Or better put, I'm not kidding but I'm not trying to be antagonistic. It's just where I fall on this issue. I'm not going to convince anyone here to change their mind, so I won't bother besides my $.02
 
Sneakers said:
I'm just kidding. Or better put, I'm not kidding but I'm not trying to be antagonistic. It's just where I fall on this issue. I'm not going to convince anyone here to change their mind, so I won't bother besides my $.02
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your $.02 is that those who vocally disagree with you are douches because of it?
 
This ruling spits in the face of this country's silent majority, and it is an obvious violation of the democratic principles that made it great. Unless the majority agrees with the ruling, in which case the ruling is a demonstration of the tyranny of the majority that the Founders warned us about, and a perfect example of the dangers of mob rule.
 
ElRoach0 said:
Hypothetical: If the white vote in the land all got together and decided that we wanted to have segregated toilets again, would you vote for it? How about if all people with naturally brown or black hair decided that they were the master race, and the US belonged to them and no one else, would you vote to boot everyone else out? How about if all the middle and lower class people voted to confiscate the lands and property of the upper class, and divide it up equally amongst the middle?

You speak of popular vote as if that should be law. But that can be very dangerous. Where's the line that says "We're hurting other people. We shouldn't be allowed to do this."? Are you seriously going to tell me that we as Americans can honestly choose that for ourselves? Really? In 1964 congress recognized the link between cancer and tobacco, has killed or had a direct link in killing 440,000 people a year, and it's STILL legal.

To me, the line that has to stop us is not when we judge another people's ideas/way of life, but when we outlaw that way of life even though it causes no harm.
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I HATE arguments like this. You have two options:

1 - Go to a dictator/monarchy and hope the ruler that makes all the rules is ethical/moral/the countries best interest at heart.

2 - Rely on the popular vote and hope that they general population is moral/ethical/has the countries best interest at heart.

Time has shown that this country will do the right thing. We don't need the judicial arm telling us what is right and wrong. That is where Sotomeyer and other left wing liberals are just wrong. The general population in this country is good and will do/vote for the right thing.

They aren't idiots. Maybe if things like Prop 8 are being passed and outlawing gay marriage, instead of demonizing everyone and turning the issue into a TMZ segment, why don't we all calm down, sit down and realize what each side wants. I bet if a civil discussion could be had, we would find out that we all want about 95% of the same thing. Then we can all work together on that last 5%.

But that wouldn't drive ratings on a 24 hour news station, or deflect attention from a terrible job a politician is doing.

p.s. I am for civil unions. I don't get why you wouldn't want those things. Also, the smoking argument is stupid. Sorry. You can't outlaw everything. You have to let people be free to choose what they want to do (this goes for food, businesses, sexual preferences, etc). All these "food" laws are beyond stupid. Instead of trying to force everyone to be healthy, quit giving them food stamps that allow them to buy junk food. Problem solved, no laws passed (but this wouldn't work because democrats would lose votes).
 
Sneakers said:
I think the opinion that they have is a douchey opinion.
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I am not trying to pick a fight or anything. I simply wanted to know what parts of that statement you find douchy? I am pro gay marriage and there are parts of it I agree with. Such as: "...marriage between a man and a woman, which for thousands of years has proven to be the best environment for nurturing children..."
 
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