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Man this thread is tempting as much as MarryJane is. How about starting a party to get high, and then discuss later with unlimited imagination? Oh wait, is it already happening?
 
Stoked said:
Isn't it interesting the different experiences/perspectives people get by living life.

I have lived in northern and southern Utah, Denver, Seattle, Memphis...and my experience has been the opposite.

Nothing wrong with LDS (Utah LDS) perspective. It is just different.
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Well, I guess what I'm saying is that while LDS folks in rural Utah might be sheltered from the drug culture I've also found that liberals in San Diego are sheltered from many of the realities of life that rural folks are very familiar with. So while we can say LDS folks are sheltered I don't think it's any less appropriate to say that city kids in L.A. are sheltered in their own way as well.
 
Gameface said:
Well, I guess what I'm saying is that while LDS folks in rural Utah might be sheltered from the drug culture I've also found that liberals in San Diego are sheltered from many of the realities of life that rural folks are very familiar with. So while we can say LDS folks are sheltered I don't think it's any less appropriate to say that city kids in L.A. are sheltered in their own way as well.
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Well if the topic turns to how to raise Cattle and Sheep you can use that.
 
Enes CanTear You Apart said:
Alcohol maybe worse than cannabis, I may agree on that, but cannabis opens a door to the way way worse things, I'm just hating on that fact even though people believe it's a small amount of people who use strong drugs because of the cannabis.

Btw, my english went out of control, sorry for that.
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I actually believe that marijuana is a gateway drug BECAUSE it is ILLEGAL.... When i was in high school i started smoking pot partly because i wanted to rebel and push the limits because i was raised so strict.
Well i figured that since i was already doing something illegal (smoking pot) then what the hell, why not try some acid, cocaine, mushrooms etc etc. See i had already crossed that line. With marijuana being illegal it gets lumped in with all the other more harmful drugs, so therefore if i smoke pot then why not try the other drugs that it is lumped in with.

Now if you legalize marijuana then maybe people would be more reluctant to try the harder drugs because they dont want to cross that "line" (illegal activity).

Also i have 2 very close friends who were not marijuana users who died from overdosing on oxycontin/methadone.

If those 2 friends would have been marijuana users then chances are they would still be alive and happy today, and i wouldn't have to miss them.
 
JazzSpazz said:
https://healthland.time.com/2010/10/19/is-marijuana-addictive-it-depends-how-you-define-addiction/

Some experts may disagree with you and your experts.

You say it is not physically addictive, I say the brain is a physical part of our body.
Do you disagree that your brain is not physically a part of your body?

Yes, or no will suffice.
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I guess the difference is that with heroine, cocaine ect ect when you stop using you hurt and get sick and are miserable.
I was using marijuana many times a day every day and then i had a job interview that would pay me about 8 dollars more per hour but i would have to be drug tested before being hired and randomly after that.... So i stopped smoking pot 17 days before my interview and i passed the drug test and still work at my job and have not smoked marijuana in 8 years. See the difference? I quit smoking quite easily. My wife still smokes every day around me all the time and i do not because of the drug testing policy of my employer. My wife has a job and is responsible as anyone. It should be legal.
 
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Stoked said:
This issue comes down to perspective for me. Wether 23% is a large figure depends on your point of view. To high for me personally but I think that 23% (where the hell did it come from anyway?) would be reduced if it was legalized and pot was sold in places like gas stations and walmart.
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Great post stoked: part of what makes marijuana a gateway drug is the fact that it is illegal. You are already coming in contact with people who can get other drugs when you buy marijuana and you are already breaking the law anyway so it isnt as much of a leap to move on to other drugs.

Like you said if you could get marijuana at a gas station or grocery store then you would be less likely to run into a drug dealer with cocaine, crack, meth and so on.
 
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Gameface said:
Growing up in SLC and then living a few other places and visiting several more while I was in the Navy then returning to SLC...I don't think Utahans are any more sheltered than anybody else, not even the LDS ones.
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PKM's point is that most LDS people have not tried marijuana so they probably dont really know what its all about and mostly just know that it is against the law and against the word of wisdom.... therefore they will have a pre-concieved opinion that marijuana is "bad".
He didn't say ALL Lds people but myself having grown up in the mormon church i would have to agree that this applies to MOST of them.
 
colton said:
Wikipedia disagrees with you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_dependence
"Evidence suggests that cannabis users can develop tolerance to the effects of THC and experience withdrawal symptoms."

It's not as physically addictive as some drugs, perhaps, but your "isn't even debatable, it's a fact" claim seems to be just plain wrong.
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Is pain medication physically addictive? Hell yes and its legal
Even coffee is physically addictive. Should we make it illegal?
 
fishonjazz said:
I guess the difference is that with heroine, cocaine ect ect when you stop using you hurt and get sick and are miserable.
I was using marijuana many times a day every day and then i had a job interview that would pay me about 8 dollars more per hour but i would have to be drug tested before being hired and randomly after that.... So i stopped smoking pot 17 days before my interview and i passed the drug test and still work at my job and have not smoked marijuana in 8 years. See the difference? I quit smoking quite easily. My wife still smokes every day around me all the time and i do not because of the drug testing policy of my employer. My wife has a job and is responsible as anyone. It should be legal.
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It's good you had a strong enough reason for you to stop, and the willpower to stop.

My point here is that addiction to something is much more than getting headaches, the shakes, and other terrible physiological reactions to stopping. Addiction affects the brain as much, or more than the other parts of the body, and just because some addictions are considered psychological does not mean they do not have a physical tie to the body. The brain is the main thing affected, and I propose that the brain is an integral part of the body, and to anything we do as a person.

On a side note, I know people, and am thinking of one in particular that has tried stopping the mary jane for over 20 years and seems to keep coming back to it. This person has plenty of reasons to stop, but just cant seem to set it aside. Not everybody finds it as easy to stop.
 
fishonjazz said:
I actually believe that marijuana is a gateway drug BECAUSE it is ILLEGAL.... When i was in high school i started smoking pot partly because i wanted to rebel and push the limits because i was raised so strict.
Well i figured that since i was already doing something illegal (smoking pot) then what the hell, why not try some acid, cocaine, mushrooms etc etc. See i had already crossed that line. With marijuana being illegal it gets lumped in with all the other more harmful drugs, so therefore if i smoke pot then why not try the other drugs that it is lumped in with.

Now if you legalize marijuana then maybe people would be more reluctant to try the harder drugs because they dont want to cross that "line" (illegal activity).

Also i have 2 very close friends who were not marijuana users who died from overdosing on oxycontin/methadone.

If those 2 friends would have been marijuana users then chances are they would still be alive and happy today, and i wouldn't have to miss them.
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This post does not make sense to me. You start by making the point that you started smoking pot because you wanted to rebel and push the limits, but then say if mary jane was legal people wouldn't want to push that limit?

It does not make sense. If people want to push the limit, and pot is legal, they will just have to go to something else to push the limit. Pot would not be pushing the limit, so whats the point of that? If you want to rebel, and push the limit, you will find a way to do it.

I do agree though that plenty of "legal" prescribed drugs are much worse for you and more addictive.
 
JazzSpazz said:
It's good you had a strong enough reason for you to stop, and the willpower to stop.

My point here is that addiction to something is much more than getting headaches, the shakes, and other terrible physiological reactions to stopping. Addiction affects the brain as much, or more than the other parts of the body, and just because some addictions are considered psychological does not mean they do not have a physical tie to the body. The brain is the main thing affected, and I propose that the brain is an integral part of the body, and to anything we do as a person.

On a side note, I know people, and am thinking of one in particular that has tried stopping the mary jane for over 20 years and seems to keep coming back to it. This person has plenty of reasons to stop, but just cant seem to set it aside. Not everybody finds it as easy to stop.
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You are correct that marijuana is psychologically addictive and it can be hard for someone to stop.... but that isn't the point. In this discussion we are trying to figure out if marijuana should be legal or not, and are trying to show whether or not it should be classified with drugs like heroine, cocaine, crack, meth ect ect.

So the whole arguement was just showing that quitting marijuana is much different than those other drugs and shouldn't be lumped in with them.
This thread is talking about whether or not weed should be legal. So im not sure what your arguement is.... Are you saying that weed should stay illegal because of its psychological addictiveness? If so then all things psychologically addictive should be illegal.
For instance, I cant stop reading books on my kindle. Right when i finish one I have to start a new one. Maybe books should be illegal because you might get psychologically addicted to them.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Marijuana is no more addictive than chocolate it is.
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As far as marijuana being a gateway drug, The notion that narcotic use would surge if pot were legalized is silly.

Also silly is the notion that someone has to use marijuana to be qualified to have an opinion, one way or the other.
 
Bronco70 said:
Also silly is the notion that someone has to use marijuana to be qualified to have an opinion, one way or the other.
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You can't really understand how much it does or doesn't hurt to break your arm if you have never had an injury in your life.

Not saying people who have never smoked marijuana can't have a valid opinion, but I do agree that in general, their understanding of its effect will not be as thorough as someone who has experienced it. And like almost everything else in life, there will be some exceptions to that.
 
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