Locked On Jazz 10/16/17 Hood RFA Notes

[Stoked]

On Locked On Jazz today he starts off talking about why Hood will be a RFA. If he is explaining it than I would rarely extend someone.

Basically due to cap holds and what not the Jazz lose extra room by re-signing Hood now. Depending on what Hood signs for the Jazz could lose 10 mill + in cap room. His new contract + his current cap hold. By waiting they don't lose that room and can sign a 10-18 mil a year guy and Hood. it's strictly numbers and nothing to do with the Jazz or Hood not wanting him to stay a Jazzman.

Any independent confirmation of this? Is that really they way it is? If so it makes re-signing a RFA before the offseason idiotic.

 

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This is not the reason. Locke is playing company shill on this one. The Jazz will operate over the cap almost guaranteed. Or even if not over the cap we will be very close to the cap, which makes extending or not extending Hood irrelevant to our free agency unless we like... waive everybody...

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

On Locked On Jazz today he starts off talking about why Hood will be a RFA. If he is explaining it than I would rarely extend someone.

Basically due to cap holds and what not the Jazz lose extra room by re-signing Hood now. Depending on what Hood signs for the Jazz could lose 10 mill + in cap room. His new contract + his current cap hold. By waiting they don't lose that room and can sign a 10-18 mil a year guy and Hood. it's strictly numbers and nothing to do with the Jazz or Hood not wanting him to stay a Jazzman.

Any independent confirmation of this? Is that really they way it is? If so it makes re-signing a RFA before the offseason idiotic.

We lose some cap space yes... so the contract has to be a really good deal for us. It is only this way because he was drafted late in the first round and has a low cap hold. Dante's cap hold is like $10M.

Unless we move Burks I'm not sure we have much space to work with. I think it is wise with his injury history to wait... unless he was going to take like 15-17 per year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This is not the reason. Locke is playing companty shill on this one. The Jazz will operate over the cap almost guaranteed. Or even if not over the cap we will be very close to the cap, which makes extending or not extending Hood irrelevant to our free agency unless we like... waive everybody...

This is what I suspected. I think we'd move burks and maybe exum and decline options on unguaranteed guys and waive Favs cap hold to come up with meaningful space.

I mean if Lebron wants to come here I will do that for him.

 

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We lose some cap space yes... so the contract has to be a really good deal for us. It is only this way because he was drafted late in the first round and has a low cap hold. Dante's cap hold is like $10M.

Unless we move Burks I'm not sure we have much space to work with. I think it is wise with his injury history to wait... unless he was going to take like 15-17 per year.

With the new CBA the capholds for Dante and Hood are actually higher. For Dante it's about 15M and for Hood it's about 9 if I'm not mistaken.

edit: just checked - 15 for Dante, about 7.2 for Hood.

 

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Thanks guys.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

With the new CBA the capholds for Dante and Hood are actually higher. For Dante it's about 15M and for Hood it's about 9 if I'm not mistaken.

edit: just checked - 15 for Dante, about 7.2 for Hood.

I just did some back of the napkin stuff. If we only kept Hood and Dante's cap holds, moved Burks for no salary, and declined all options on Epke, Jerebko, and Thabo then we would have some meaningful space. Like 10-15M... to get max space we need to get off of Dante's cap hold.

En sum, this is more about Hood's health and consistency than cap mechanics. I mean if we signed the guy we could likely trade him to create cap space when Lebron wants to sign here.

 

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This is what I suspected. I think we'd move burks and maybe exum and decline options on unguaranteed guys and waive Favs cap hold to come up with meaningful space.

I mean if Lebron wants to come here I will do that for him.

Sure, but what's the chance any player that is worth it will want to come here? I realize you are joking about LeBron, but... OK... lets have this hypothetical scenario here - who's the worst FA you would consider doing this for? Cousins? Avery Bradley? LMA? Aaron Gordon? Jabari? Smart? Peyton?

 

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I just did some back of the napkin stuff. If we only kept Hood and Dante's cap holds, moved Burks for no salary, and declined all options on Epke, Jerebko, and Thabo then we would have some meaningful space. Like 10-15M... to get max space we need to get off of Dante's cap hold.

En sum, this is more about Hood's health and consistency than cap mechanics. I mean if we signed the guy we could likely trade him to create cap space when Lebron wants to sign here.

Absolutely.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sure, but what's the chance any player that is worth it will want to come here? I realize you are joking about LeBron, but... OK... lets have this hypothetical scenario here - who's the worst FA you would consider doing this for? Cousins? Avery Bradley? LMA? Aaron Gordon? Jabari? Smart? Peyton?

I agree...It is a tongue in cheek thing with Lebron or any huge free agent.

I think Gordon makes a lot of sense... No one else on this list excites me at all. Some good players, but injury, fit, and timeline concerns. I doubt Orlando lets Gordon get away though. I think a sign and trade maybe works, but they would match whatever we offered. They need talent.

One potential reason to have space is the salary dump plus assets will be coming back this year, but I'm not sure that is where we are in the building process.

Like would LA send Deng and Ingram just for space? I think Deng still has value (much less than his salary of course) as a small ball 4. Not sure Ingram is worth it.

 

[MDAV28]

I agree...It is a tongue in cheek thing with Lebron or any huge free agent.

I think Gordon makes a lot of sense... No one else on this list excites me at all. Some good players, but injury, fit, and timeline concerns. I doubt Orlando lets Gordon get away though. I think a sign and trade maybe works, but they would match whatever we offered. They need talent.

One potential reason to have space is the salary dump plus assets will be coming back this year, but I'm not sure that is where we are in the building process.

Like would LA send Deng and Ingram just for space? I think Deng still has value (much less than his salary of course) as a small ball 4. Not sure Ingram is worth it.

I think you nailed it. Cap space next year, more than most years will be a huge asset to not only have an upperhand on 80% of the league signing UFA's but to take a salary dump if teams like the Lakers need to unload to get a few guys in. I think I would do that trade.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This is not the reason. Locke is playing company shill on this one. The Jazz will operate over the cap almost guaranteed. Or even if not over the cap we will be very close to the cap, which makes extending or not extending Hood irrelevant to our free agency unless we like... waive everybody...

It's far from irrelevant. We don't know what will happen between now and then. The Jazz could do trades that open up cap-room and having Hood at his cap hold could be valuable.

 

[Witty Username]

Locke was one of the first people to point out us not locking up Hayward before his RFA, and that it may played a role in him deciding to leave. Seems like he's attempting to justify the Jazz basically doing the same thing with Rodney. He's just trying to spin it

 

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It's far from irrelevant. We don't know what will happen between now and then. The Jazz could do trades that open up cap-room and having Hood at his cap hold could be valuable.

You don't not extend Hood now because you might hypothetically maybe make a trade that in addition to everything else will actually give you no long-term salaries back. It made much more sense for the Jazz to wait out on Gobert's contract and they didn't! They didn't because they knew Gobert is worth it. It makes a lot less sense to wait for Hood to have a career year right now. They didn't sign a contract because they were not willing to give him the money his agent required. That's the reason. Has nothing/very little to do with our 2018 free agency.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Locke was one of the first people to point out us not locking up Hayward before his RFA, and that it may played a role in him deciding to leave. Seems like he's attempting to justify the Jazz basically doing the same thing with Rodney. He's just trying to spin it

Different scenarios bud. The Jazz haggled over a million dollars per year. The Hood difference could be much larger.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You don't not extend Hood now because you might hypothetically maybe make a trade that in addition to everything else will actually give you no long-term salaries back. It made much more sense for the Jazz to wait out on Gobert's contract and they didn't! They didn't because they knew Gobert is worth it. It makes a lot less sense to wait for Hood to have a career year right now. They didn't sign a contract because they were not willing to give him the money his agent required. That's the reason. Has nothing/very little to do with our 2018 free agency.

It's a reason why you don't. To act like it's not factor is a lie.

And Gobert gave them a slight discount to extend him. That's why they did it. Because he was a guaranteed max the following year so going ahead and doing it when they did saved them money.

 

[elan_prodigy]

With his cap hold less than what you would pay him you wait, unless you get a discount, especially with his injury history and the FA market this year. Saying cap space is irrelevant is stupid.

 

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With his cap hold less than what you would pay him you wait, unless you get a discount, especially with his injury history and the FA market this year. Saying cap space is irrelevant is stupid.

It IS irrelevant unless you clear half the roster. You have to waive all non-guaranteed contracts Sefolosha, Udoh, Jerebko, O'Neale, have to renounce JJ, Favors, Neto and Exum to get to a 25% max. You cannot even get to a 30% max money. To a huge extent it is irrelevant. Who is the player in FA that you are doing this for?

Sure... there is a shot you it might not be irrelevant but the chance is minuscule. I wouldn't even put it at 1%. Definitely not worth putting off the Hood extension if you think extending him for what he wants makes sense.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

With his cap hold less than what you would pay him you wait, unless you get a discount, especially with his injury history and the FA market this year. Saying cap space is irrelevant is stupid.

With our current situation though and the amount of things that will have to happen, that are very unlikely, for that situation to change it is also tough to buy into the fact that this is the main reason... This is like reason number 5-6 with the injury history being 1, inconsistency being 2... when the report came out yesterday Tony Jones basically said they want to see him stay healthy.

Preserving $10-12M in cap space when you are almost guaranteed to be over the cap is kind of dumb. It is an ancillary reason to wait, but unless you thing we are going to trade Burks, Exum, and waive half the roster either through cap holds or player options then there will not be space. We could move Ricky or Joe too, but that is unlikely as well. The series of events that has to take place where we have more than 8M in space (the mid level exception) is just not really something anyone should be planning around.

Because most don't understand the NBA salary cap it sounds really good (I'm fine with that too if it means Hood's feelings aren't hurt)... but you kick the tires and its not a big factor imo.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It IS irrelevant unless you clear half the roster. You have to waive all non-guaranteed contracts Sefolosha, Udoh, Jerebko, O'Neale, have to renounce JJ, Favors, Neto and Exum to get to a 25% max. You cannot even get to a 30% max money. To a huge extent it is irrelevant. Who is the player in FA that you are doing this for?

Sure... there is a shot you it might not be irrelevant but the chance is minuscule. I wouldn't even put it at 1%. Definitely not worth putting off the Hood extension if you think extending him for what he wants makes sense.

Next tell us how Rubio has no shot in Quin's offense