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Lockout!!!

Heck I'd be fine if they lowered the hit for first year offenders but increased it for the repeaters (since players will never except a hard cap).
 
I would think just like the owners assume the financial risk (BRI argument) the GM's still need to assume a lot of the risk of signing bad contracts. Even though I still like the idea of non or partially guaranteed contracts but with stipulations and limits but that is a whole other can of worms on that.
 
Sirkickyass said:
That is certainly a step towards a hard cap. As long as NBA contracts are still largely guaranteed this will make bad management an even bigger suicide pill to teams.
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with a hard cap they wouldnt be full guarantees...it would be impossible. i think the new cba, while it doesnt ban guaranteed contracts, also doesnt require them.

also @ricbucher says
New proposal would allow teams to send players to NBDL first 5 years of career and reduce pay to pro-rated 75K. Talk about non-starters.


if thats true...its a poison pill.

Also, free agency agency is an american value. Restricting it, and player choice, the way this deal essentially does is really unamerican.

i dont think the players should give on the BRI, but they've dropped all they way down to 50-50 - far lower than baseball, football and hockey. If the owners still want to make these punitive changes just because they're butt-hurt that lebron left cleveland for a warmer weather small market team thats too bad, and the players shouldnt let them get away with it.
 
BENTLEY said:
I don't care about the revenue split. I want a system that limits the player's power to create their own dream teams. Hard cap, non-guaranteed contracts, franchise tag, etc. I'm a hardliner so part of me kinda wants the players to get their panties in a bunch and push to play the decertification card. I'm perfectly happy having more time to focus on NCAA ball. BUT rather than the players go thru with decertifying I want them to eventually be humbled and realize they can't win and that even the hardliner's offer is a better than nothing.
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the ncaa is completely dominated by player-created dream teams, but nobody gets mad because they dont get paid.
 
Go ahead and give 'em back some of the BRI. But keep the restrictions on free agency. They get to play in the NBA. That is something to be grateful for - even if you're in Minnesota or Utah.
 
TheItinerantSon said:
the ncaa is completely dominated by player-created dream teams, but nobody gets mad because they dont get paid.
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NCAA is where I look for potential studs for the Jazz to draft. I don't have a team I root for (except Jazz) so I don't care about NCAA being fair or not.
 
BENTLEY said:
Go ahead and give 'em back some of the BRI. But keep the restrictions on free agency. They get to play in the NBA. That is something to be grateful for - even if you're in Minnesota or Utah.
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Yep been saying the same thing for awhile now and that's what made me realize the owners are only using the "system" for PR and are really only interested in $$$$
 
TheItinerantSon said:
with a hard cap they wouldnt be full guarantees...it would be impossible. i think the new cba, while it doesnt ban guaranteed contracts, also doesnt require them.

also @ricbucher says
New proposal would allow teams to send players to NBDL first 5 years of career and reduce pay to pro-rated 75K. Talk about non-starters.


if thats true...its a poison pill.

Also, free agency agency is an american value. Restricting it, and player choice, the way this deal essentially does is really unamerican.

i dont think the players should give on the BRI, but they've dropped all they way down to 50-50 - far lower than baseball, football and hockey. If the owners still want to make these punitive changes just because they're butt-hurt that lebron left cleveland for a warmer weather small market team thats too bad, and the players shouldnt let them get away with it.
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Those really sound like your personal values. Don't push them on the rest of us by pretending that your view is the "American" way.
 
TheItinerantSon said:
Also, free agency agency is an american value. Restricting it, and player choice, the way this deal essentially does is really unamerican.
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They still have all the freedom in the world to quit the NBA and take up another profession. Just like I have signed a contract not to work for a competitor they can't just pack up and go play for another team. They are free however to go get another job.
 
//r00t 4 Jazz said:
Yep been saying the same thing for awhile now and that's what made me realize the owners are only using the "system" for PR and are really only interested in $$$$
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I fear you are correct. System won't really be fixed but the players will make less / owners will make more = fans lose. This sucks hard cap.
 
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