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They will reach a middle ground outside of court. It is to much to risk for both sides to really battle this out for years in court. The owners need the players and the players need the owners. This will be resolved by January and you will get a 50 game season.
 
kim chadwick said:
larry miller is a self made millionaire. not by giving it away to under educated cry babies. try this go to your boss and demand 57 cents of every dollar made by there company and tell them your not working if you don't get it and write back and let me know how fast you got fired.
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...good point!
 
gregbroncs said:
Utah is a right to work state. Unions here have very little power. So not surprising that the people here are against the union. I'm an electrician and the electrical workers union here is a joke.
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Meaning what? The "union rules" can't force people to pay more than fair market value for electrical work? You have to actually compete with other electricians for business? Sounds like the real world. States with real union power like New York, customers pay much more for labor than necessary. You can't have one guy that does multiple jobs, you have to hire a bunch of guys with specific jobs (Bob runs the backhoe, Joe tells Bob where to dig, Dave supervises the dirt pile, Tony drives the dump truck, Sam tells Tony where to dump, Jim hands out water bottles and a 1 hour job takes 3 hours because of mandatory breaks). Forcing everyone to belong to a union by law to force prices up is no more ethical than business owners banding together to supress wages.
 
SuperBob said:
Meaning what? The "union rules" can't force people to pay more than fair market value for electrical work? You have to actually compete with other electricians for business? Sounds like the real world. States with real union power like New York, customers pay much more for labor than necessary. You can't have one guy that does multiple jobs, you have to hire a bunch of guys with specific jobs (Bob runs the backhoe, Joe tells Bob where to dig, Dave supervises the dirt pile, Tony drives the dump truck, Sam tells Tony where to dump, Jim hands out water bottles and a 1 hour job takes 3 hours because of mandatory breaks). Forcing everyone to belong to a union by law to force prices up is no more ethical than business owners banding together to supress wages.
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HMM...

I'm going to take a guess here, you are not from Utah?
 
carolinajazz said:
Speaking of tattoo's....here's the skinny:

Tattoos have a curious history

1850 - 1900 - Tattoos used to be the bastion of carnival freak shows, with people flocking to the circus to see the amazing tattooed Lady.

1900 - 1950 - Tattoos in the early 20th century indicated a Sailor or Marine. In these cases, they did not have any social stigma, except that tattoos were generally indicative of enlisted men. Few Navy or Marine officers dared to draw on their body.

1950 - 1960 - In the early 1950's, tattoos became popular with the criminal element, mostly outlaw bikers, social outcasts and the mentally ill. It was during this time tattoos took on a more ominous reputation.

1960 - 1990 - This was the age of "prison tats" where having a tattoo indicated to some people that you were a tough, ignorant, convicted felon.

1990-2008 - Today we see hordes of low-class young people drawing on themselves with free abandon, (almost 30% of people in the 1980's). These people do not understand that a tattoo may effectively prohibit them from pursuing a professional career, regardless of their other qualifications.

Today, a prejudice still exists within corporate America about tattoos, especially since there is a clear and direct correlation between income, education and the percentage of those populations who have tattoos. It's no surprise that tattoos are more popular among the poor and under educated.

Don't kid yourself about the importance of hiding or removing tattoos. If you look at middle management and above in any of the Fortune 50 companies, you will hard pressed to find any managers that have tattoos, hidden or otherwise.
Corporate Dress Codes and tattoos

A study by Careerbuilders shows the perils of tattoos for aspiring professionals, and confirms the conventional wisdom that tattoos are a sign of immaturity, bad judgment and bad taste:

Over 42 percent of managers said their opinion of someone would be lowered by that person's visible body art. Personally, I think that the actual figure is much higher.

Three out of four respondents believe that visible tattoos are unprofessional.

You don't have look hard to find hundreds of corporations which have banned employees with tattoos. San Bernardino County California, bars all employees from wearing denim, having visible tattoos, and any piercing in the nose, lip, or tongue that contains jewelry.

In sum, tattoos send a message to corporate America that you are ignorant, low-income, that you have have bad taste, and worst of all, that you may have a criminal record.

...oh, one more thing: Did you know that over 80% of the American prison population is tattooed, while only 15% of the general population has tattoo's?
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This makes sense, although there are cultural exceptions to the above. For example, the native people of New Zealand (Maori) and other indigenous cultures of the Pacific Islands might use tattoos to signify manhood or warrior status within their local clans.

Then there's that little guy from Fantasy Island who used to yell about the incoming air planes. I'm not sure what to make of him, but he seemed to be reasonably well regarded by his upscale boss.
 
NUMBERICA said:
HMM...

I'm going to take a guess here, you are not from Utah?
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Unions may also drive out business. I used to work for a company that organized tradeshows. We moved one of our biggest events out of New York due to the labor idiocy at the convention center. Companies basically can't even load a dolly with show brochures or office supplies. If you can't carry it in your arms, then it's considered "freight" and you have to pay (and WAIT and WAIT) for a union worker to come over with HIS dolly and roll it into the center for an exorbitant fee. And forget about changing a light bulb in your booth. That requires a certified electrician.

The labor unions (and complaints by our customers) made us decide to move another big event out of Chicago. Fortunately, a few years later the city took on the unions at the convention center and my company (well, former company) moved the shows back this year. Unions have a place, but they often become so big and corrupt that a major cleansing has to take place.
 
freakazoid said:
I support the player's rights to live in any European city of their choosing, if they want to play basketball for a living. If they decide they'd rather live in America, I also support their rights to work as janitors or garbage men.
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Well said. And if this lasts >1 year, how many do you think will be wearing orange jumpsuits because they've needed to replace their incomes with the only work they can find.
 
GlassEater said:
Unions may also drive out business. I used to work for a company that organized tradeshows. We moved one of our biggest events out of New York due to the labor idiocy at the convention center. Companies basically can't even load a dolly with show brochures or office supplies. If you can't carry it in your arms, then it's considered "freight" and you have to pay (and WAIT and WAIT) for a union worker to come over with HIS dolly and roll it into the center for an exorbitant fee. And forget about changing a light bulb in your booth. That requires a certified electrician.

The labor unions (and complaints by our customers) made us decide to move another big event out of Chicago. Fortunately, a few years later the city took on the unions at the convention center and my company (well, former company) moved the shows back this year. Unions have a place, but they often become so big and corrupt that a major cleansing has to take place.
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Having dealt with unions at trade shows I hear you. My company couldn't even hook a garden hose to a spigot without a union plumber present. $150.00 just to hook a hose up and then unhook it. The 30 minutes while we were using it he played on his cell phone. Wish I made $300.00 an hour to text!

Oh, I forgot to mention that it took 24 hours notice to get the *** there to hook the hose up...
 
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